The new RL is the graveyard of German footy..

Discussion in 'Germany' started by Schwalker, Jun 1, 2008.

  1. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    They need 2,5 million until tomorrow noon... looks bleak.

    If you ever wanted to watch a German 5th division match - tomorrow the Lower Saxony final between Havelse and Eintracht II will be live broadcasted on this strange local Langenhagen based internet channel:

    http://www.liveimnetz.de/

    19:00 CET

    Currently there's an interview with the guitar player from Molly Hatchet on there (I like Molly Hatchet, but damn... now they are on German provincial open channels?). And weiiiiirrrddd commercials.
     
  2. Hobo

    Hobo Member+

    Apr 29, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    interviewing Pablo Thiam right now. Liveimnetz is the graveyard of German soccer.
     
  3. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    On right now.
     
  4. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    I'm not sure if those local commentators are charming or annoying (have only seen parts of the game, though - don't know if more exposure would have had an effect).
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    Rot-Weiss Essen has gone into insolvency, they are definitly relegated now, the only remaining question is if they can play 5th division next year, or if the club will go bankrupt.

    Hansa Rostock II is voluntarily relegated.

    So, update:

    Relegated from RL:
    Insolvency: TeBe Berlin, SSV Reutlingen, Eintr. Bamberg, RW Essen
    No license: Hansa Rostock II
    Relegated: St. Pauli II, Goslar, Worms, Trier, Bayern Alzenau
     
  5. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    Awesome... I post in here and miss Eintracht's goal :rolleyes:



    :p
     
  6. CCinGermany

    CCinGermany Member

    May 3, 2006
    Chicagoland
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Wow! What about the new stadium at Hafenstr.? The title of this thread is certainly turning out to be accurate if a relatively well-supported traditional club like this can be in this situation.
     
  7. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    The rebuilding of the stadium has been stopped already, it probably will not be completed.

    And here's another one, actually: Bonner SC will not get a license for next season.

    Relegated from RL:
    Insolvency: TeBe Berlin, SSV Reutlingen, Eintr. Bamberg, RW Essen
    No license: Hansa Rostock II, Bonner SC
    Relegated: St. Pauli II, Goslar, Trier, Bayern Alzenau

    So again, more teams are releagted for financial than for sporting reasons (just like last season).

    And the Havelse - Eintracht II game ended 1:1, for the record. Second leg next week.
     
  8. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    Next season AT LEAST 25 of 54 RL teams will be reserve sides. As of right now RL West will have 10 reserve sides, in a 18 team league.

    Wolfsburg II
    HSV II
    Hannover II
    Hertha BSC II
    Braunschweig II
    Cottbus II
    ---------------
    Bochum II
    Köln II
    K'lautern II
    Düsseldorf II
    Schalke II
    Leverkusen II
    Mainz II
    Gladbach II
    Dortmund II
    Bielefeld II
    ---------------
    Nürnberg II
    Freiburg II
    KSC II
    1860 II
    E. Frankfurt II
    Gr. Fürth II
    Wehen II
    FSV Frankfurt II
    Hoffenheim II

    If Kiel II can go up, and Eintracht Braunschweig II wins their final this could still go up to 26, if a Northern team gets no license and St. Pauli II stays up in addition to 27.
     
  9. CCinGermany

    CCinGermany Member

    May 3, 2006
    Chicagoland
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Am I crazy or is this going to serve to reduce interest even further?
     
  10. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    To be honest, you couldn't reduce interest much more anyway. With Saarbrücken going up and Essen down you can count the clubs that can draw a crowd on one hand.

    Makes it harder for the pro clubs to justify not having a reserve league, though. If we now get Regionalliga groups in which the reserve sides are actually the majority the argument that they need the competition holds less and less water.
     
  11. CCinGermany

    CCinGermany Member

    May 3, 2006
    Chicagoland
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So do you suppose the 3.Liga has been a success in any sense?
     
  12. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    3. Liga, sure. Not for the clubs who didn't qualify, of course - for individual clubs it was, for German football as a whole, that's another matter (and the jury's still out on this, I guess).
     
  13. benztown

    benztown Member+

    Jun 24, 2005
    Club:
    VfB Stuttgart
    Very true...I used to be on the other side of the fence here, but these developments really made me rethink that position.

    So maybe the new RL is indeed a very positive thing as it really makes clear that a reserve league is the way to go.
     
  14. 96Squig

    96Squig Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    Hanover
    Club:
    Hannover 96
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Only if they turn it around fast, otherwise there won't be enough big clubs to form a succesfull RL with, so you could stop promotion on the Oberliga level, make the first three leagues a closed system (or semiclosed like DEL to let clubs like RB Leipzig in) and have the reserve sides of the clubs of the 3rd first leagues play in a different piramid alltogether.

    I'd hate to see that outcome.
     
  15. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    Waldhof Mannheim was denied a license. With Waldhof and Essen gone, there are only about 3 to 5 big clubs left in the league (Magdeburg for sure, Halle, Kassel, Münster and Chemnitz could at least make a claim).

    Relegated from RL:
    Insolvency: TeBe Berlin, SSV Reutlingen, Eintr. Bamberg, RW Essen
    No license: Hansa Rostock II, Bonner SC, Waldhof Mannheim
    Relegated: St. Pauli II, Goslar, Bayern Alzenau

    NO team from RL West relegated by league position this year.
     
  16. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    In the only important football match today Eintracht II won 3:1 and claimed the Lower Saxon title. However, meanwhile all pro clubs got their license, so Havelse is sure to be promoted as well.

    Now all participants of next years RL should be final - unless another club goes into insolvency before the end of the month (in that case one of the remaining 3 relegated teams, starting with St. Pauli, would take their place - if insolvency occurred after the end of June the RL would play with less teams instead, as the new season would have started then already).
     
  17. CCinGermany

    CCinGermany Member

    May 3, 2006
    Chicagoland
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What do you think is going to be the final result of the RW Essen situation?
     
  18. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    Hard to say as they obviously don't inform the public about all the financial ongoings. So far it's not sure if they will play 5th division next year, however, at the end of June we will know for sure. So far they seem carefully optimistic that this will be possible at least.
     
  19. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    The groups for 2011 have been finalized - no major changes, Worms moves from West to South, reserve sides in italics:

    North:
    Holstein Kiel, VfL Wolfsburg II, Chemnitzer FC, Hallescher FC, Hamburger SV II, 1. FC Magdeburg, VFC Plauen, Hannover 96 II, VfB Lübeck, ZFC Meuselwitz, Hertha BSC Berlin II, Türkiyemspor Berlin, SV Wilhelmshaven, FC Oberneuland, Energie Cottbus II, Rasenball Leipzig, TSV Havelse, Eintracht Braunschweig II

    West:
    Borussia Dortmund II, Wuppertaler SV, Sportfreunde Lotte, VfL Bochum II, 1. FC Köln II, Preußen Münster, SV Elversberg, 1. FC Kaiserslautern II, SC Verl, Fortuna Düsseldorf II, Schalke 04 II, Bayer 04 Leverkusen II, FSV Mainz 05 II, Borussia Mönchengladbach II, Eintracht Trier, SC Wiedenbrück, Arminia Bielefeld II, FC 08 Homburg/Saar

    South:
    1. FC Nürnberg II, SC Freiburg II, Hessen Kassel, Karlsruher SC II, SSV Ulm 1846, 1860 München II, Eintracht Frankfurt II, Stuttgarter Kickers, SpVgg Weiden, SpVgg Greuther Fürth II, SG Sonnenhof Großaspach, SC Pfullendorf, SV Darmstadt 98, SV Wehen Wiesbaden II, Wormatia Worms, FC Memmingen, TSG Hoffenheim II, FSV Frankfurt II
     
  20. Schwalker

    Schwalker New Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    Gelsenkirchen/Finja
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Well, the standard of football have been better I think.
    But my fear that minor clubs will simply not be able to compete with the amas from the pro-clubs might be justified.
     
  21. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    3. Liga not that much,but RL surely.
     
  22. CCinGermany

    CCinGermany Member

    May 3, 2006
    Chicagoland
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like RW Essen got a license for the NRW-Liga, which would be the 5th rung, yes?
     
  23. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    Yes, it is.
     
  24. CCinGermany

    CCinGermany Member

    May 3, 2006
    Chicagoland
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I guess they should consider themselves fortunate to have only gone down one level, right? Plus, they get a derby with SW Essen out of the deal!

    Is there a bigger city in Europe with similarly low level football? I would be surprised.
     
  25. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    Well, it's certainly the best case scenario as long as they get through insolvency.

    And depends on what you consider a similar level of football. Russia has a few cities of 1 million+ inhabitants with 3rd division clubs, which is higher up in the pyramid of course, but Essen will probably have higher attendances.
     

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