The New Political Cartoon Thread (Now with Memes)

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
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    DC United
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    United States
    As an ex subject matter expert, the problem with the VASH program is NOT underfunding. From what I saw, it’s OVERfunded. We, the people, can’t force people who choose homelessness to get a voucher and an apartment. Housing authorities can’t spend the money they’re allocated because there is always more money than need…unless we as a society want to force homeless veterans to take a voucher. We’d have to treat them like we treated mental patients 50-60-70 years ago, basically the same way we treated prisoners.

    There is no way on God’s green Earth an elected official is going to do anything other than max out spending on homeless vets, so VASH always has more funding than it can use.

    As a practical matter, we have solved the problem of veteran homelessness for vets who want a voucher.
     
  2. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
  3. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite Guinness

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    He is doing well v. TV media. Print media is a different story, WaPo apart.
     
  5. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Chicago Fire
    Given that neither he nor his supporters seem to be able to read, that’s all that matters.
     
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  6. EyesOnBall

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    Jun 14, 2004
  7. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    Considering what Carr said this weekend, not so sure. Or perhaps he's just mad about the questions being asked and the social media clips being distributed.
     
  8. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Colombia
    Maybe stop creating more vets?
     
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  9. Val

    Val Moderator
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    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
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    A far bigger issue for homelessness is not funding. This country has money. Rather, it's one of ceez's favorite subjects: it's zoning.

    I have a lot of experience working with the homeless and what I think the biggest issue is that there are a lot of people for whom an entire apartment is beyond their span of control. Most of the folks I have worked with in shelters and homeless encampments want nothing more than a large room. Something that will fit a bed, allow them to hang a TV on the wall, maybe a dresser. In New York, that would called a loft. Anywhere else and it doesn't meet zoning. Know what would make a great homeless shelter? One of those 1950s era strip motels on the side of old, pre-interstate, highways. A private bath is a plus.

    Tiny Homes Villages – Hope the Mission

    OK, these homes are really small, but you get the idea.


    But you can see how they'd have to be specifically zoned.

    And it doesn't really have to be an issue, I think. Call this a pre-homelessness solution. Lots of folks can afford $200 or $300/month for rent. A lot of people can budget. What they can't do is save. So if someone has disability or social security, they can make $700 last a month, but what they cannot do is set aside $300 for five months so that they can afford the security deposit and first month's rent. My wife works a shelter now and she finds that about 5% can create a plan and have the long-range thinking skills to see it through. So, let's make housing more attainable by making the actual houses more attainable.

    Edit: and god bless to Tim Dills. He tried to convince me of this 30 years ago, but he was so wacky (i.e. he wanted to build these houses out of bales of straw to keep costs down) that I discounted him and I've been running in place ever since. RIP Tim.

    Edit: OK those units in the vid are too small. I think the ability to invite someone into your home is foundational, so these would fail. This is more transitional. If you make it too nice, you eliminate the desire for people to leave. What I am thinking is more of a long-term solution. Make them three times bigger and add a front porch and that can be long term. This is now affordable housing!
     
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  10. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

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    Feb 16, 1999
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    Montreal Impact
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    United States
    In Chicago they still had these "rooming house" style apartments twenty years ago, even down to shared facilities.

    Of course most of the market there was a lot cheaper than other large cities even then.
     
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  11. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Before we allow abandoned malls to deteriorate we should repurpose them as housing.
     
  12. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    DC United
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    Vanuatu
    Putin played mostly the same playbook. Print media was among the last that the crackdown came to.
     
  13. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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    Chicago Fire
    I looked at a couple of them when I was moving there for grad school. Turned out, my teaching assistantship rendered me ineligible on the grounds of too much income.
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
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    DC United
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    United States
    @Val

    You are very correct about homelessness in general, but not in terms of veterans. If a veteran isn’t housed, it’s because he chose that life.
    the parking lots and major plumbing and electric lines and the rest are useful. The buildings can’t be converted.
     
  15. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Near the mountains.
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    Why can't they be converted? Is it something to do with the physical property? Or is it zoning? Something else?
     
  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
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    DC United
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    United States
    Think about what an apartment complex looks like, and what a shopping mall looks like. Which walls and doors etc would you keep from a mall to jump start an apartment building?
     
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  17. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    United States
    Do you have some actual knowledge, or are you being an ass?
     
  18. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    DC United
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    #9648 song219, Mar 16, 2026
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    It would be cheaper to bulldoze mall buildings than to try to incorporate sewer drainage, plumbing and electrical into individual units you would be trying to build in a mall. Of course our resident architect could post more knowledgeably on this.
     
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  19. HerthaBerwyn

    HerthaBerwyn Member+

    May 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Apartments around the outside of anchor stores, lightwell in middle. Use the closed shops for amenities. Lots os space.
     
  20. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    He's for real. The plumbing and electrical are not set up for it. You'd have to cut the slab to install new lines underground. Exterior walls need to be redone. Each unit needs a window or egress, which malls definitely won't allow for. (some buildings solve this buy having an interior courtyard. Each unit needs it's own electrical.

    None of these things are impossible, but often it is easier and cheaper to tear down the mall than to retrofit it.

    Edit: refresh! @song219 was all over it.
     
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