The new Pele, the new Maradona, the new Cruyff, the new...

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Dark Savante, Dec 16, 2005.

  1. Dark Savante

    Dark Savante Member

    Apr 24, 2002
    Become the Tea Pot!!
    Here's a little game. How many players can you name who were going to be the next [insert alltimer here] consider the date that the legend retired and then chronoligically come up with the amount of young hopefuls who were once touted to become the next xx

    So:

    All-timers name E.G Maradona

    and then his hopefuls in order. EG:

    Redondo
    Veron
    Ortega
    Gallarado
    Riquelme

    etc. etc all the way up to the present day were you have the Robinho's (the new Pele #598493540 and Messi (new Maradona #343543)

    See how many you can name for each legend. Quite a fun exercise :)
     
  2. minorthreat

    minorthreat Member

    Jan 1, 2001
    NYC
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Redondo was a natural defensive midfielder. I don't think he was ever touted as the next Maradona.
     
  3. Duck Manson

    Duck Manson Member+

    Feb 8, 2005
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    didnt redondo play as a offensive mid when he was younger?
     
  4. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    d'Alessandro
    Aimar
     
  5. Wasn't Andres d'Alessandro touted?
     
  6. bojendyk

    bojendyk New Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    South Loop, Chicago
    Yep, although not as frequently as Riquelme was, IIRC.
     
  7. bojendyk

    bojendyk New Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    South Loop, Chicago
    Are we including persons who are touted as their region's Maradona (e.g., Hagi, the Maradona of the Carpathians)?
     
  8. Duck Manson

    Duck Manson Member+

    Feb 8, 2005
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    hagi was very much said to be eastern europes Maradona. i think he should be included. as long as its a region not just a country or whatever.
     
  9. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I don't remember Redondo, Gallardo or Veron drawing much comparison to Maradona.

    These are the players I heard being compared to Maradona, by the Argentine media or by fans, and also my personal opinion of the comparisons.


    Riquelme: A difficult comparison to make, other than the fact that they both played the creative mid role for Boca Juniors. Riquelme is a very different player than Maradona. He reminds me of the old pre-Maradona prototipical Argentine creative midfielder, like 'beto' Alonso or Bochini. Especially Bochini. He slows down play and relies on his great passing and intelligence, and changes of rhythm. Not nearly as resourceful as Diego, but so far the best Argentine creative mid in the post-Maradona era.

    Aimar: This is a comparison that wasn't hyped too much, but I heard it on occasion. Like Riquelme, he is very different from Maradona, but in the opposite direction. He is more of a modern European style creative mid, relying on fast passes and quickness. He doesn't provide the pause which is part of the traditional Argentine game. His career has been hampered by injuries, but when healthy he is very effective.

    Saviola: He drew comparisons as a great dribbler with attitude, who played spectacular at the youth level. He plays further forward than Maradona, and while he has undeniable talent, he does tend to dissapear at times and doesn't have the protagonism of some of these other players mentioned.

    Tevez: A comparison made based on his great talent, and similar humble background. While it is too early to declare him great, I think he has the potential for greatness. But at this point he is nowhere near were Maradona was at his age. Like Saviola, he plays further forward than Maradona. He is a more complete player and a stronger player than Saviola, and he plays smarter.

    Messi: Probably the most talent and most potential since Maradona, and like Tevez, he has the potential for greatness. But he is also nowhere near were Diego was at his age. Although he has the ability to play the field general role as Maradona, he is more of a direct player and I think he is more suited to play closer to the opponent's goal.

    I'd say the most apt comparison remains the first one, Ariel Ortega. When he came up, Ortega looked like Diego, he played the same position, he had the same way of moving, the same way of dribbling, the similarity was uncanny. Ortega's talent was not quite up to Diego's level, he didn't have the same passing ability, and he certainly didn't have the same leadership qualities and winning attitude on the field, nor did he have the same football IQ, or that elusive ability to be able to make his teammates better. Also, it is unfortunate that he didn't have the ability to adapt to Europe and he underachieved and squandered the many opportunities he was given to succeed there. But when he was playing at his best, Ortega was an exciting player who looked and played in many ways remarkably like Maradona.

    But nobody really has come close to Diego.
     
  10. StrikerCW

    StrikerCW Member

    Jul 10, 2001
    Perth, WA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    George Best: (just going on some guesses to get some talk going)

    Norman Whiteside
    Mark Hughes
    Brian McClair
    Cristiano Ronaldo
    Wayne Rooney
    Paul Gascoine
    Keith Gillespie

    I'll admit some of those are just guesses like I said, but good players, though some of them actually were touted. So have at it.
     
  11. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    quick, SirM do a list of next Der Kaisers.
     
  12. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Lottar Matthaus
    Sebastian Kehl

    Who else?
     
  13. StrikerCW

    StrikerCW Member

    Jul 10, 2001
    Perth, WA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have a question about this. Do they have to be from the same nation/club/region as the other player in question? Because if not so then Freddy would be considered for Diego according to the US media. :rolleyes:
     
  14. schafer

    schafer Member+

    Mar 12, 2004

    Actually they tend to look at it like Maradona was the first Freddy ;)
     
  15. RuudVanLineker

    RuudVanLineker New Member

    Oct 11, 2005

    most of the above were never called the new george best. in fact the onyl real player to be touted as the new best was ryan giggs, which u have ommitted from yr list, well researched
     
  16. johno

    johno Member+

    Jul 15, 2003
    in the wind
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Sammer i would think....

    oh... RVL - I don't recall anyone asking for the opinion of a Football Expert :rolleyes:
     
  17. SirManchester

    SirManchester Member+

    Apr 14, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    As you've mentioned already; Matheus, Sammer, I don't know about Kehl, but Metzelder certainly got more hype than him a couple of years back. Augenthaler and Jurgen Kohler were also somewhat touted. I remember a few Germans saying something similar about Ramelow three years ago, it's ridiculous if you think about it now but I couldn't argue that as much back then.
     
  18. StrikerCW

    StrikerCW Member

    Jul 10, 2001
    Perth, WA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What that is ridiculous I admit I left out Giggs, but simple google search will come up with half those names. I may not be a Manchester United historian but I know how to read.
     
  19. ChaChaFut

    ChaChaFut Member

    Jun 30, 2005
    I had the same question, because I remember a few cases but with players of different origin:

    When I first saw Antonio Cassano play I thought he was going to be the next Maradona. Oops.

    As I recall, Baresi was widely regarded as the next Beckenbauer.

    According to some people Marcelo Salas was going to be the next Gerd Muller, he even looked like him.

    And from the same country:

    Raul Gonzalez, the next Butragueno

    Roberto Carlos, the next Rivelino

    Seedorf and Davids, the next Gullit, etc.
     
  20. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    A few new names to the new kaiser: Augenthaler, Stieleke.

    Wasn't Klinamann nicknamed the blond bomber after Gerd Muller the Bomber?

    And wasn't Zico and Beverto callled the "White Pele"? Does A.Pele count as the next Pele? :)
     
  21. Dark Savante

    Dark Savante Member

    Apr 24, 2002
    Become the Tea Pot!!
    I was hoping for a lot more contributions to this thread. There have to have been at least 10 'new pele's' since he retired.
     
  22. Disco Dale

    Disco Dale Member

    Nov 29, 2005
    N8
    I seem to remember that Best said something like... "maybe one day they will call me the 'old Ryan Giggs'" Praise indeed, remember his withering comment about two-times European Player of the Year, Kevin Keegan? "He's not fit to lace my boots" - to which some journalist retorted "Keegan's not fit to lace Best's drinks".

    I always personally thought Chris Sutton was the new John Charles, but no one went along with me.
     
  23. Joep

    Joep Member

    Dec 7, 2004
    Antwerp
    Good topic.

    Being Dutch, I'll try to do some recent Cruijff's

    Van der Vaart - very technical, european talent of the year, same role as Cruijff

    Robben - Not really touted as the new cruijff, but widely regarded as possibly the best player since, which of course, is utter utter crap.

    damn this is harder than I thought!

    Somebody do a new 'van Basten'.

    EDIT: This might be interesting, a (sadly, because very good) late Dutch football monthly magazine aptly named 'Johan' used to run an article called 'The Johan Cruijff of (Insert random third-rate football country).
     
  24. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    But everybody wanted to talk about the new Maradonas........
     

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