The New Era of Financial Frugality - The Transfer Thread

Looked awesome when he played against us.

A lot of interest around him, Arsenal, Newcastle, Dortmund, Juve all linked with him.

 

Not sure it is true

 

Agreed, development at that age isn't straight up.

 

We hit with Vini and Rodrygo, missed with Reiner. But it's kinda funny that we paid 70+M for a 16yo when the club balks at 100M for more proven players.
Like how much more would Endrick cost at 18 in Brazil even if he shined?

When it's a player from any league that isn't PL or La Liga everybody is like "Bundlesliga/Uber Eats/Serie A tax". But if it's from Brazil it's OK.

 

I know it’s still a long way to go to see if Endrick will pan out as a player or not. What I don’t like is that we’ve bought into the bias as a club that since Vinny/Rodrygo worked out, that Enrdrick is someone we should bank on the future as a superstar.

It’s a high risk, high reward transfer. We can’t be living in that world often.

 

We have only paid 35 ME for Endrick. Everything else are add ons which by the looks of it will not be triggered. 35 ME wouldn't even get you Declan Rice in today's market so yes definitely we are doing the right thing by investing in these young teenagers

 

Why woildnt they be triggered? We dont know yet hes so young. I trust in calafat

 

Endrick is 16.

Anyone expecting him to be banging goals in a senior league with ease has significant mental problems.

This adversity is good for him and if he can learn and grow it will make him very strong mentally.... just like the other Brazilian teenager many here loved to abuse Vinicius.

 

How much more would Endrick cost had we made a move when he turned 18? He wouldn't be for sale because he'd have been a PSG player already at 16. Or Chelsea. We were not the only ones who wanted to sign him at 16.

Many here actually shit on our Brazilian signings actually and even Vini who's our best attacking player this season. No one is really unbiased just ike you had a soft spot for Jovic, Kovacic etc due to the region they come from.

 

Endrick was wanted by some teams like us, Chelsea, Barca , PSG and more. Juni Calafat marked him as the biggest thing in Brazil. It’s a bet, yes. We didn’t had much time to consider. But he is still 16 and in development. I’m not quite sure about his Role as a 9 (he’s height is an issue). I still think in 2024 we should consider Mbappe or Haaland.
Let’s not forget Alvaro Rodriguez which he 1.93 height and big potential.
I still think we should sign also Vitor roque. He is the next thing in Brazil with Endrick, and reported Barca close to sign him. We don’t need to reinforce them.

 

Or potentially lose all of that bet money on that young prospect.

You have to admit, it's riskier going for players so young. And 35 mil isn't cheap either.

 

35 M is cheap in this market. Our back up full backs going back to 2011 used to cost 30 M or more. Coentrao (30 M), Danilo (32 M), Odriozola (35M). Big clubs get a talent for 30 M+ these days if there's only a year of contract left.

Look at 700 M Chelsea had to pay in last 6 months and none of them are in the league of Vini talent wise. Endrick had to face the kind of pressure Vini went through due to the talent he is and his pricetag at 16. Like YS said, that could equip him for future given the pressure at RM.

 

€35M is cheaper than what Liverpool spent on Darwin Nunez.

Same Nunez some on here were clamouring for last season might I add.

 

It is. But the club has to wait a couple of years before they could even field Endrick. Lots of things to happen between now and then.

 

Cheap for a 16 year old?

 

Are we signing him to play for Castilla at 16 (which wouldn't be legal anyways)? We are paying 35 ME plus add ons for what he will do through the length of his first contract which is from the age of 18 to 24. We paid 45 ME for Vini for what he'd provide from 2018-24.

Some mention Reinier because he's been a flop so far, but he was signed when he turned 18. Unlike Vini, Endrick at 16, there weren't top clubs fighting for Reinier even after his impressive debut season in Brazilian Serie A. Flamengo had 80 ME buyout clause inserted seeing the price tag of Vini and Rodrygo. Ended up selling for 30 ME couple of years later as interest from Europe was nowhere near the same.

I read in Dortmund they thought Reinier didn't have football as a priority. Maybe that explains how he played so little there. We over looked that side with Jovic as well as he clearly had off field issues at Benfica. I'd rather have passionate players who cares and gets concerned when their performance is not upto mark like Vini, Endrick rather than those who mail it in when they get a big contract like Jovic and apparently Reinier. Former type will be termed mentally fragile until their perseverance takes them through to the next level.

 

From that perspective alone it looks like a really bad deal. Huge financial outlay to have to sit and wait for two years before can get any use. What are the chances that with the money already in hand the club he's at just totally neglects his development from here in out and we get a washed up 18 year old.

 

There's performance based add ons at Palmieras as well as during his time at RM and hence it's 35 ME plus 25 add ons. We didn't even have such add ons as incentives to Flamengo and Santos yet both Vini and Rodrygo played a ton there until they joined RM. People keep finding all these hypothetical negative scenarios when we have actually addressed such loopholes this time.

 

It's called patience and an investment.

Microwave culture smh.

 

With Vinicius we only had to wait a year and in the meantime he was becoming the star in a Flamengo team competing for the Copa Libertadores. I can remember looking for game times to watch the future crack. I'm not getting the same vibe here.

"Reports" are that the 16 year old player is suffering from anxiety during a months long scoring drought that began almost immediately after getting into the headlines for a blockbuster move to a European giant, and has of now been dropped to the bench and is not playing at all in the last couple of weeks.

 

The chances of Endrik succeeding or failing is exactly 50/50, why this unnecessary negativity then, we might just as well be a little patient and see how it pans out ?