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  1. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #551 hotjam2, Dec 12, 2019
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    they say, the other well known Dutch woso coach, Vera Pauw, philosophy of extreme conditioning, is pretty much in line with Wiegman's methods. I doubt if the USWNT players would of been able to handle that & might of led to rebellion like the Houston Dash did(even though led them to their best season ever)
     
  2. The last of the year 2019 ranking
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  3. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Was expecting Japan to be better.
     
  4. Well, the Orange Lionesses now know what we expect from them in Japan after the handball women did this:
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  5. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I saw Sarina Wiegmann yesterday at a game, said hello to her. She was watching her many players in Southport.
     
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  6. https://nos.nl/artikel/2316810-oranje-en-ajax-worden-weer-bewonderd-totaalvoetbal-5-0-of-zoiets.html
    David Winner about Miedema:
    'Vergeet de mannen, mijn favoriet is Miedema'
    De wereld ziet er bijna twintig jaar na het verschijnen van Brilliant Orange anders uit, maar ook het voetballandschap. Geen woord over vrouwenvoetbal in het boek. Dat zou nu wel anders zijn, erkent hij.

    "Vergeet de mannen, mijn favoriete speler van dit moment is Vivianne Miedema", zegt Winner. "Ze is op dit moment de beste speelster van de wereld. Geen twijfel. Vergelijkingen zijn belachelijk, maar ze is een combinatie van Marco van Basten en Dennis Bergkamp. Ze is geen van beiden natuurlijk, maar wel een genot om naar te kijken."


    "Daniëlle van de Donk is ook fantastisch. Ik kijk als fan van Arsenal momenteel liever naar de vrouwen dan naar de mannen van mijn club. Ze spelen een beetje op de Ajax-manier."

    Past het Nederlandse vrouwenteam ook in onze traditie?
    "Zeker. Ze lijken me ook intelligent. Daar houd ik van. Ze zijn beleefd, aardig en zichzelf. Binnen en buiten het veld. Dat ervoer ik ook bij het schrijven van mijn boek. De mannen van de jaren zeventig kwamen in gesprekken met mij net zo over als hoe ze speelden. Zo waren ze. En Sarina Wiegman lijkt me een topcoach. Ik heb haar nog voorgesteld als nieuwe coach van de mannen van Arsenal."

    "Forget the men, my favorite is Miedema"

    The world looks different almost twenty years after the release of Brilliant Orange, but also the football landscape. No word about women's football in the book. That would be different now, he acknowledges.

    "Forget the men, my favorite player at the moment is Vivianne Miedema," says Winner. "She is currently the best player in the world. No doubt. Comparisons are ridiculous, but she is a combination of Marco van Basten and Dennis Bergkamp. She is neither of course, but a pleasure to watch."
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    Vivianne Miedema after her 1-0 against Italy during the World Championship in France Pro Shots

    "Daniëlle van de Donk is also fantastic. As an Arsenal fan, I prefer to look at the women rather than the men from my club. They play a little in the Ajax way."

    Does the Dutch women's team also fit in with our tradition?

    "Certainly. They also seem intelligent to me. I like that. They are polite, kind and themselves. Inside and outside the field. I also experienced that when writing my book. The men of the seventies came to talk to me just like how they played. That's how they were. And Sarina Wiegman seems to be a top coach. I did suggest her as the new coach of the Arsenal men. "
     
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  7. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    got to express some concern's on our Orange team as they prepare for the Tournament of France, coming up shortly in early March. The Dutch, pro club/flag team, which has to be Arsenal, got crushed by Chelsea this last Sunday. All 3 starters; Miedema, van de Donk & Roord, had an misreable game with Viv, reportedly running off the field in tears when the match ended.
    Then checking on van de Sanden, unless there's a miss print, she's getting shockingly low playing time at Lyon; just 159 minutes for the whole 2019-20 season
    Netherlands - S. van de Sanden - Profile with news, career statistics and history - Women Soccerway

    checking on others; Lieke Martens returned to the Barca lineup but looked far from prime in the streamed game I've saw of her

    BS poster, Ethan, keeps pariaisng Gronen's performance over at Man U, but her stats, Zero goals, 1 assist, so far for the season, gives me less confidence

    Bloodsworth doing well at Wolfsburg, but their Bundi season is two months in the dark/the league's gotten much weaker do to so many players moving to greener($$$)pastures

    and still who has taken over the excellent but retired, Van Luterins right-FB spot?

    all this doesn't bode well as the Dutch play in a rather tough tourney field; France & Brazil, who are on an winning streak roll & Canada. Don't disappointed if Holland only managers 3rd place(would be a disaster though if they loose to Canada as they only managed a tie vs low ranked Haiti a few days ago)

    and at least two months , pro club, break & training before the Olympics in late July should give Wiegman ample time to recouperate & whip them into shape.
    In the meantime their are some up & coming goals scores in the Dutch/Eredivsion. Dang, could the top scorer be related to former NBA star, Rick Smits?(hopefully she don't grow too high/Rick was 7 ft 4 inches)

    Summary - Eredivisie Women - Netherlands - Results, fixtures, tables and news - Women Soccerway
     
  8. thedexeter

    thedexeter Member

    Washington Spirit
    United States
    Jul 6, 2015
    I wouldn't be too worried about the Dutch women's form for their clubs because usually when they play for the national team there's a different vibe about the team and they tend to overachieve. There could be some hangover though so time will tell.

    There's not much to read in that Canada 1-1 against Haiti either. That game was a training game and most likely they didn't field their best team but yes the trend for Canada hasn't been good in recent months I'll give you that.
     
  9. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Vivianne Miedema crying while running off the pitch? Sounds like fake news.
     
  10. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    It's hard to know how the Dutch will play going forward. They had a great three years--but they're not going to sneak up on anybody anymore, and the team does have some issues. I don't put much stock in spring tournaments--and I doubt the Dutch will either. Recall that the team was bad in the Algarve last year--played some subs quite a bit--and ended up in the World Cup final. That said, I think they will take this French tourney quite seriously, given the competition.

    I'm more worried about the team's back four and defense rather than the attack. Bloodworth is the only quality centerback in her prime and healthy. Van der Gragt is a very good centerback when healthy--but she's almost never healthy. I believe she's got another knee issue but don't really know anything about her status, except that I think it could be a while yet before she's healthy again. A guess. They need her. Dekker can still play but she's 32 and past her prime.

    I see that Van Es--veteran Dutch outside back-- has been playing some centerback for Everton, which is a new position for her. Started one game at centerback in a four back lineup; started at centerback recently against Arsenal and was subbed out, and then sat on the bench for Everton's most recent game. Not sure how she played or whether Wiegman will try her in the same position or keep her at outside back.

    Either way, with Van der Gragt injured and Van Lunteren now retired, there are issues at both centerback and outside back for The Netherlands. Van Dongen started at outside back in place of Van Es through most of the World Cup and was adequate--but she's not going to keep the coach of any opposing team awake at night, worrying about how to cope with her. I think most recently Van der Most played in Van Lunteren's spot. I think she plays in the Dutch league and, while I have not seen her play much at all, my sense is that she is a step down from Van Lunteren. My hope is that Van Lunteren will reconsider her retirement decision and come back to the squad--she is only 27--but I'm not counting on that happening. Coaches are always looking for good young talent to bring up, and I'm sure Wiegman is particularly interested in these two positions.

    As for the attack, my optimistic thought is that after her long recovery from injury Martens will be fresh and revitalized in the months ahead. She is a talented player who is still in her prime. So is Van de Sanden on the other side. It's tough that she is not playing much for Lyon--but it is Lyon, a team full of stars, so I'm not going to fret about it too much, though one does need to be fit and in form, and that might be a challenge for her with so much time on the pine. Miedema will be Miedema.

    As for the midfield, Wiegman really needs to find the next Spitse--someone who can bring her steel and spine to the midfield. Spitse is not going anywhere but she is 29 now and I'm not sure how much longer she can play at a top level. The thing about the Dutch midfield that often gets overlooked is that all three mids are good defensively--do a lot of defensive work. That is Groenen's strength. Van de Donk is a playmaker but is also excellent at challenging opponents when they have the ball. This is my problem with Jill Roord: while is is a talented attacking player, I don't think she works hard enough without the ball and doesn't seem as committed to challenges and winning balls as she should be.
     
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  11. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    Well, van de Sanden was injured for a bit. I'm not too concerned about her mainly being a second half/late game sub. Plus, the Dutch have Beerensteyn as another right wing option.

    Yeah, Martens probably needs a bit of time to get back into form after a long layoff. However, she's had her good moments since coming back, and I think she'll get there in time for the Olympics, if not the Tournoi de France.

    Yeah, I still think Groenen's had a decent/pretty good season. Last match, she even didn't add to her xA/KP stats, which have been top two all season in the Man Utd squad. However, she linked up very well with her wingers in the first half, and her work ethic and movement helped give Utd the territorial advantage that led to their first two goals vs Tottenham on the weekend. Plus, even though you'll likely disagree, Groenen was great throughout the 2017 Euros and the 2019 WWC. Only one goal and two assists across 13 matches; again, her game's never been centered around goals/assists. It's been centered on good/great defensive work and dangerous passes to her wingers. That being said, she really does need to work on and improve her finishing.
     
  12. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    I don't necessarily disagree, but I think it's more about finding a way to replace Spitse's impact from dead ball situations. That, rather than any ability to add steel and spine to a midfield, makes her world class in my opinion.
     
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  13. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    Yes--very good point. She is an excellent free-kick specialist--one of the best in women's soccer. That is a very valuable skill that few have and will not be easy to replace. But I also think she gives the Dutch some toughness in the midfield, which also is crucial. All three starting mids are quite tough-minded, which I love, but Spitse has a bit of size to go with her attitude. I mean, she's not at all big--but she's a bit bigger than Groenen and Van de Donk. She certainly has at least two -three good years left, assuming she stays fit and injury free, and I hope she can still be in good form at the next World Cup, when she'll be 33. There is some young talent in the pipeline, for sure. We'll have to see who emerges, and how quickly, and if any have the potential to be special. Fingers crossed!
     
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  14. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    Definitely true. If we're going to focus on bringing up direct goal contribution stats, van de Donk had 1 goal and no assists in the past 13 Euro+WWC matches. Spitse had no goals and 1 assist from the run of play in the past 13 Euro+WWC matches. As mentioned above, Groenen had 1 goal and 2 assists in the past 13 Euro+WWC matches. The Dutch midfield is not one of the best in international football because of direct goal contributions from the run of play. They're one of the best because they keep/progress the ball well, are typically pretty good defensively, and can impact the match from set pieces/corners (Spitse).
     
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  15. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
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  16. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    I've watched the Dutch U18 team play a couple of matches in the Tricontinental Cup now going on in the U.S. The Netherlands beat Norway, 5-1, and today beat China, 2-0. The Dutch have looked good; it is a technical side that possesses well and has some scoring punch. Center forward Tromp, Centerback Van Deemen (sp), and forwards Peddemors and Brughts have impressed. The team plays its last match in this little tourney on Friday night against the U.S. It should be a good one. I think between this group and the U20 group, there is definitely some talent in the pipeline.
     
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  18. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Great stuff I am gonna ask my colleagues to get them for me, or I will ask to have a work meeting in Schipol and get a few of them.
     
  19. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    watching the Twente/Wolfsburg friendly; very impressed the CB named Ypema & winger, van Weerden. Ypema proved very strong/physical against some of the best attackers on this planet(Harder, Pajor, Popp). Van Weerden a superb dribbler, had 3 excellent chances to score. Problem with her; she’s short(perhaps under 5ft). So she might not have the speed to handle long balls ala Martens. And than, according to Dutch League stats, hasn’t scored all season(but why did she play do well against a powerhouse like Wolfsburg?). She really would be usefull against 3rd tier ‘park the bus’ NT’s like the Dutch face in Euro qualifiers.
     
  20. As these cards are packed 4 in a blister and you cannot see which ones are in the package it is bound their kids have double/triple or maybe even for of the same player. So if they collect them for their kids you should be able to get quite a few from the left over cards.
     
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  21. L'orange

    L'orange Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jul 20, 2017
    The Dutch U18 squad won the TriContinental Cup tonight in Florida, beating a talented U.S. team by a 2-1 score. The Netherlands was 3-0 in the four-team tourney--waxing Norway, 5-1; besting China, 2-0, and then beating the host team with a goal in each half tonight. The Dutch looked very good in the first half, scoring early (10') off of a corner and then mostly dominating possession for the rest of the have, forcing the Americans to chase. The Netherlands narrowly missed a second goal late in the half when Nikita Tromp, a sturdy center-forward who has scored a lot of goals for Dutch junior NTs, futzed a golden chance right in front of the U.S. goal off of a nice centering pace from speedy winger Peddemors.

    Tromp did convert off of a penalty around the 70' mark in the second half to give The Netherlands a 2-0 lead. The team wasn't nearly as good in the 2nd half as the first, as the U.S. played more aggressively and the Dutch were on their heels more than they would like and the fullbacks struggled at times to match the pace of the speedy and athletic American wingers. But the defense overall was solid until the team gave up a goal off of a corner with about 15 minutes play, which drew the U.S. within a goal. From then on the Dutch mostly played defense and, despite a few shaky moments managed to see the game out.

    I was impressed by Peddemors on the right flank: she is tall and lanky and possesses excellent speed and is fairly decent with the ball. She is already playing professionally for Twente in the Eredivisie, I think. Van Diemen, a centerback, was also impressive in the tourney, as was Brughts (sp?), the left winger who is athletic and has good ball skills. She wasn't nearly as influential tonight as she was in the first two games, but she can play. For an U18 squad, the Dutch were quite well organized and play a smart, fairly sophisticated game. Beating the Americans--who certainly have some athletic players--should be a good confidence booster for the Dutch.
     
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  22. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    I went to Clairefontaine today to watch France v Germany u17 and bumped into Robert de Pauw the Dutch u17 manager scouting Germany. He is a very cool guy, happy to chat to an stranger like me about the game and so on.
    It is so nice to be able to chat to knowledgeable people.
     
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  23. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    How was the game?
     
  24. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    France 4 Germany 3 (HT 0-3) amazing.
     
  25. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Wow!!! France came back by scoring 4 in second half!?
     

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