The NBA in 1947

Discussion in 'MLS: Commissioner - You be The Don' started by The Green Mushroom, Oct 31, 2011.

  1. The Green Mushroom

    Oct 19, 2011
    In 1947 the BAA became the newest attempt to create a pro-basketball league in the US. A year or two down the line it changed its name to the NBA.

    At that time there were two playoff models to follow in American sports: the baseball/football model and the NHL model. In MLB and NFL at that time there were two division/leagues. The champion of each division/league met in the World Series or the NFL Championship game. That was it, the entire playoffs in a week pitting the clear winners of two subgroups against each other. If their was a tie for first a playoff games was held. Within your division/league you played a totally balanced schedule in baseball (22 games a piece against the other seven teams) while you tried to play all of your divisional rivals twice.In the NHL, which was down to the Original Six teams by then, the top four teams made the playoffs and competed in two seven game rounds to award the Stanley Cup.

    Both systems were simple and in their own ways, fair. Baseball and football wanted to determine a champion while the Stanley Cup had always been determined through playoffs.

    The NBA wanted the best of both worlds and cam up with this freak show of a format: (Ties were broken with playoff games if necessary)

    1. The two division champions met in a best of seven "semi-final" series. The winner went to the NBA finals, the loser was done.

    2. The second and third place teams in each division played best of three crossover "quarterfinals" (E2 v W3, etc). The winners of those series met in a best of three "semifinal"

    3. The winners of the two semifinals--one best of seven between the two best teams and other a best of three between quarterfinal survivors played in the best of seven NBA Finals.

    The NBA's shotgun marriage of its "two options" created a system where the best teams could not possibly meet in the championship if they were in different divisions and where lower ranked teams had an easier shot to make the finals than teams that had beaten them over the course of the year.

    Maybe this should serve to inspire (myself included) those who simply want to mash a little of this and a little of that together to "improve" the MLS. You can't simply take the EPL's regular season and the NBA's playoffs to make the perfect match. The MLS needs to evolve its own system--something that even it isn't doing.
     
  2. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  3. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So then what do you call the changing of conference alignment/number of conferences, adjusting the schedule, and continuing to mess with the playoff structure ?
     
  4. Avshalom

    Avshalom New Member

    Oct 26, 2011
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Yes the current play off system sucks eggs.
    On the other hand if there is one thing the MLS can't be accused of it's refusing to change the playoff rules.
     
  5. The Green Mushroom

    Oct 19, 2011
    You are of course free to disagree with me, but constant tinkering is not evolution. Admitting that what you have doesn't work and trying to fix it is one thing and I will give MLS credit for that. But after so many different playoff systems--best of three, first to five, 2-1-1, 1-2-1-1--in less than 20 years, I think its fair to say that evolution isn't happening. Evolution is something that evolves naturally.

    Although I don't like its overly long playoffs and its horrid scheduling of the playoffs, aside from expanding the first round to seven games the NBA hasn't changed in format since what the early 80s? The NHL has made one real non-scheduling change to its playoffs since it went to all seven game series around '87 or so. They have their systems and only make minor adjustments to them.

    That's my opinion. I could be wrong.
     
  6. HailtotheKing

    HailtotheKing Member+

    San Antonio FC
    United States
    Dec 1, 2008
    TEXAS
    Club:
    San Antonio Scorpions FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Evolution is change is it not ?

    Part of evolution is learning is it not ?
     
  7. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's not a biological system, so evolution can only be an incomplete metaphor. The only way for the playoff format to change is by tinkering. The 2-1-1 format is now in its 9th year, covering more than half of the league's history. I would consider that a relatively stable format, with the tinkering occuring on the details of things such as the rules for seeding and bracketing, and now the added wild-card round.
     
  8. The Green Mushroom

    Oct 19, 2011
    Really? I didn't realize that it had been that long. We need an egg on my face or foot in my mouth icon. I might not like the 2-1-1, in fact I think its entirely stupid, but I guess after nine years I can't complain that it's just another attempt by MLS to rejigger the playoffs.

    My bad.
     
  9. DavidP

    DavidP Member

    Mar 21, 1999
    Powder Springs, GA
    I'd like to see all rounds, except maybe the championship, be home and home, winner advances on total goals.
     
  10. Prune

    Prune New Member

    Feb 24, 2010
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    I'd like to see all rounds one match at the higher seed home - even the Final. Home and home doesn't reward the better team during the regular season enough.
     
  11. The Green Mushroom

    Oct 19, 2011
    I'd like to see all rounds be the same length--whether that length be one game, two games or three games.

    In defense of home and home, it does give the better team a better shot of advancing, rather than whoever happens to be the better team on one particular day.
     
  12. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It does not give the better team a better shot at advancing because of the home-field advantage problem. Home-and-Home works in European competition because there's no fair way to seed teams. MLS spends 8 months seeding the teams!! One game, do or die, home of the higher seed, all the way until the Final (neutral site, of course). It also rewards higher-placed teams with home games and those ticket sales
     
  13. The Green Mushroom

    Oct 19, 2011
    I didn't say that I thought that it gave the higher seed a better chance. You are right, it doesn't. What I said, at least what I meant to say, was that it gave the better team--who would not necessarily be the higher seed-- a chance to recover from a fluke first 90 minutes--an opportunity it does not have under one and done.

    For example, in one and done games, the 10th seed can theoretically draw four straight games and win the cup on penalties in every round. At the same time, the number seven and then the number one seeds are gone on penalties when they weren't even beaten in 90 minutes.

    Although this would be unlikely, having the 10 seed do the same thing over two legs four times would be even more unlikely.
     
  14. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you can keep the best teams in the League from scoring for 90 minutes, you've done something really special.

    Also of note, a team can just as easily lose on penalties. This argument doesn't really hold water
     
  15. The Green Mushroom

    Oct 19, 2011
    Perhaps we should just agree to disagree. Like I said, my main preference is for all rounds to be equal. I still prefer home and home series, but I don't think it is necessary.
     

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