The Multi-Eligible Player Recruitment Thread (2026 WC Cycle Edition)

Discussion in 'Youth National Teams' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, Dec 3, 2022.

  1. Winoman

    Winoman Drinkin' Wine Spo-De-O-De!

    Jul 26, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You used to watch the Ed Sullivan Show, too?
     
  2. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    If you’re Hall and reading the replies and your own Polish fans are calling you awful racist things, why would you want to play for that country?

    I don’t wanna say there’s never anything bad said to players that crosses the line, but I don’t think USMNT fans tend to racially insult their players. I think the USMNT fanbase is generally more tolerant of players from the whole spectrum of backgrounds. I think it’s one of the pros to our team for players. You aren’t going to feel like being “different” in any way makes you ostracized, either by your teammates or the fans.
     
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  3. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Indeed..........................

    We went thru the whole Poland thing with Slonina. :)
    Heck, with Szetela before that.

    We should expect a nation like Poland to come after our prospects.
    We've built a relationship up with Julian. I'm not more worried about that than with any other dual-national.

    What percentage of our top prospects are dual-nationals? Its a high number.

    I learned long ago that stressing about every one was going to give me an aneurysm.
    There are people in the twitterverse who seem to thrive on it. They really WANT to have a reason to bash the federation by implying we're bad with dual-nationals. Why? I don't know. We're better with dual-nationals that just about anybody outside of Morocco.
     
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  4. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The difference here is his skin color and like ussoccer97531 I've seen some pretty shocking comments. Worse than anything I've ever hear here even among some pretty racist guys. Is it really a thing in Poland?
     
  5. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    The whole Netherlands situation just gets more amazing. This story is worth a read to say the least.

    Over the past several weeks, panic has swept across Dutch football. It has involved a podcast, players being stood down, clubs scrambling for legal advice and information, and the KNVB (the Dutch football association) seeking urgent clarification on whether several players were eligible. About 25 players (including Chery) were implicated in Passportgate, a crisis stemming from confusion about dual nationality and unlike anything the Netherlands has seen before.​

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_...lity-crisis-dutch-eredivisie-matches-replayed
     
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  6. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Automatic citizenship revocation is nuts and borderline human rights abuse. There needs to be due process.
     
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  7. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not as sympathetic if Indonesia requires no dual citizenship and Netherlands says you give up Dutch citizenship if you get a passport for another country. Maybe not knowing one of those things is believable but both? Seems like no one thought it would be enforced and when a club filed a lawsuit the judge had to rule on the facts and the law. I am a bit sympathetic to the argument that no government officials brought it up. The solution is a stopgap law that grandfathers those that already did it while raising awareness for anyone doing it going forward. I guess they could eliminate the losing citizenship part but I don't see how they'd deal with countries that don't allow dual citizenship like Indonesia. If you renounce Dutch citizenship you'd have to be listed as a foreign player. Perhaps Indonesia needs to make a law carving out dual citizenship for special cases.
     
  8. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's an unusual case in that The Netherlands is headed the opposite direction of citizenship trends in other countries (though Italy toughened their rules recently). There are several countries that require surrender of citizenship upon naturalization (Germany used to do this), but don't require it if you are born with the citizenship (by heritage in this case).

    I don't know the details of Suriname's or Indonesia's citizenship laws, but it could be that the athletes weren't eligible for the citizenship at birth (based on parents or grandparents), so had to go through a process similar to naturalization. Even FIFA, in it's roundabout way, differentiates between citizenship by heritage and by naturalization.

    This is further evidence that athletes aren't really clued into the rules outside the actual game.
     
  9. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    This is pretty much exactly what lawyers are for!
     
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  10. gunnerfan7

    gunnerfan7 Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Jul 22, 2012
    Milpitas, California
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please don't lump "People have a right to dual-citizenship" as a human right. It's somewhat archaic in the world of air travel we have today, but it's not a right.

    Ironically, I think these passport issues are coming from both sides! Indonesia, Cape Verde, and Suriname are among the 39-ish countries that either ban dual citizenship outright or have extremely specific rules about dual citizenship in very specific cases. Add in that the Dutch revoke your Dutch citizenship upon you gaining another one (MOST of the time), and it might be hard to get that Dutch passport back...
     
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  11. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    #736 deejay, May 1, 2026
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    The key word is automatic. Automatic revocation can have a huge and disproportionate effect versus the actual intent and knowledge of the issue. Precisely because all those countries don't allow dual citizenship I am very concerned that the players may have been tricked into switching or that passports were issued without proper process. This all seems highly irregular.

    Edit: I'm just remembering that Argentina makes citizenship irrevocable. I'm not sure what would be the thing to do in that case.
     
  12. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Alright, I went down a rabbit hole and there are a lot of exemptions in Netherlands for dual nationality. A big one is being dual national before you are of majority. Another big one is being married to a Dutch citizen or a citizen of the other nationality. In practice, I doubt anyone cares to denounce possible violators since there so many exemptions. That is, unless you are a club losing a game.
     
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  13. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    #738 Dave Marino-Nachison, May 8, 2026
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    A funky switch: A Canadian-born '07 named Yuri Guboglo at Montreal (who Wiki says has a Ukrainian father) has changed to Canada from Haiti, his mother's country, for which he played U17 ball. I guess this is a guy who might end up at the CONCACAF U20s. (Haiti also qualified for that, for the record.)

    It's not the only recent FIFA change on the male side, but it was the closest to home...
     
  14. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Not terribly surprising at this point I suppose, but Esmir is on the WC squad for BIH.

    I think that means there is at least one American on every roster named so far.

    https://www.instagram.com/p/DYMpxPQDG6c/
     
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  15. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
  16. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Out of curiosity I looked back at the FIFA record, which is only viewable since they started showing it (obviously, but I mention it because players who committed before the site went up wouldn't be shown there, so there might have been other switches) -- it shows three inbound male players to BIH. Only one of them made the World Cup roster.

    This doesn't count guys who didn't have to formally switch, of which Esmir was one.
     
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  17. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    #742 Dave Marino-Nachison, May 13, 2026
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    Two funky things about Figueroa switching now are 1) they didn't make the World Cup, so it's not like they could offer him that and 2) he's too old for the upcoming U20 cycle, which at the CONCACAF level is the Olympic qualifying tournament, though he could play in the Olympics.

    He is surely closer to their MNT than ours, in a general way, and maybe that's the whole story -- they are in rebuild/reload mode and all that -- but it still seems like he could have waited. (I haven't seen a FIFA switch announcement, by the way.)

    I also get that these choices are not necessarily entirely rational, which is not to say they need to be!
     
  18. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Quioto has now retired and Lozano is 33 and Honduras has been calling up a lot of young players.

    The young guy who has been played the most is Keyrol's younger half brother, Dereck Moncada. Dereck who is a RW on loan in Colombia and doing very well. I don't know how much the brothers have talked or even played together but Dereck looks the type to send in good crosses for Keyrol.
     
  19. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    We don't talk about him much (generally speaking) but Tyler Bindon made New Zealand's World Cup roster. One more Yank on his way to the WC!
     
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  20. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The size of this WC as well as the public nature of FIFA switches now has really upped the volume of switches. My social media feed is filled with switches to WC teams as well as those who have switched over for the next cycle.

    I predict at least one WC team will have issues related to recently switched player(s) sometime during the tournament.
     
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  21. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    This could certainly test the "nothing actually happens because nobody cares" theory. It's the World Cup. People might care!
     
  22. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    The FIFA switch for Figueroa is official. So is one for CJ Dos Santos to Cape Verde.
     
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  23. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
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  24. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    Haven't looked into this story, but fascinating if true (in the context of enforcement weirdness) -- and by the way, if you're on Twitter, into this stuff, and not. following this account, perhaps follow them -- they are prolific and interesting. (You can follow me, too, but I rarely post, and am boring.)

     
  25. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    The secret to posting is boring smarter not harder.

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