Football before Of Lionel Messi ... Edson Arantes Pelé 812 matches 767 goals 488 Assists ( Direct Assists (Opta) and Indirect Assists(Non Opta) too ) 0, 94 % goals 0, 60 % Assists Ferenc Puskas 719 matches 708 goals 440 Assists ( Direct Assists (Opta) and Indirect Assists(Non Opta) too ) 0, 98 % Goals 0, 61 % Assists current Player Lionel Messi 1069 matches 838 goals 453 Assists ( Direct Assists (Opta) and Indirect Assists(Non Opta) too ) 0, 78 % Goals 0, 42, 37 % Assists ...
Is this how you're coping, clown? long time since I heard from isaywhatBSiwant, looolll.... 8 times Ballon D'or 8 times FIFA Best 5 times IFFHS World's Best Playmaker 6 times Golden Shoe 6 times UCL top-scorer 8 times Pichichi 2 times WC MVP 2 times Copa MVP Finalissima MOTM Olympics MVP tons of times top player in dribbling/chance creation/assists/through balls etc. version of Messi.. 6 times UCL top-scorer 8 times Pichichi winner 6 times Golden Shoe winner but but oNLy 2010, elite goalscoring, lmaaoooooo... mature playmaking version of Messi 2015 and beyond 3 Golden Shoes 5 La Liga top scorer (Pichichi) 2 UCL top-scorer GOAT dribbler as usual but but oNlY elite playmaking, lmaaaaoooo.... washed version of Messi 2018 and beyond 3 Ballon D'ors 2 FIFA Best 1 Golden Shoe 3 La Liga top scorer 1 time UCL top-scorer 4 times UCL team of the tournament 2 times IFFHS World's Best Playmaker 3 times IFFHS World's Best Playmaker (no.2) 3 times assist leader in La Liga 1 time assist leader in Ligue 1 big chance creation/dribbling/MOTM king as usual in whole Europe WC MVP Copa MVP Finalissima MOTM but but washed 2018, lmaaaooo..
One thing that might have been glossed over, due to the emphasis on placement and power, is Lionel Messi's shooting timing, and his ability to toy with it mid-motion, without much pronounced backlift, or telltale bodily signs of an incoming shot. I'll first explain through other examples. The power and speed at which is not what makes the punch above hard to dodge, it is the lack of prior motion. Lionel Messi's ability to mix shooting mid-step, in conjunction to his already incredible dribbling ability, makes him a total nightmare when he receives the ball facing towards the goal, with the ball already at his feet. https://m.youtube.com/shorts/kWgo1h7ahvg Here is a brief compilation of such examples, from a discussion in another forum. https://mlbpark.donga.com/mp/b.php?...source=&pos=&sig=hgjLSgtgjhTRKfX2hfj9Rg-Y4hlq
serafim still trying to cope playing the dumb, lmaaooo...imagine writing "playmaking is comparable to long range shooting" in a football forum not only insulting all time greats Maradona, Messi, Xavi, Modric, Pele, Platini, Zidane etc. but all football fans here, meanwhile pretending as if he has an argument. loooll.. why don't you post this new invention in other forums clown, so that people can say "wow, we never thought about that, but serafim the genius is right, long range shooting should be comparable to playmaking" or rather destroy you to oblivion, lmaaooo.. Pretty sure even Real Madrid fans would ridicule you if you post this BS there, you can try, it's free so that we can all laugh.. Now tell us genius who made it to the list greatest players ever mostly because of his "but but long range shooting" ... Don't be afraid, all forum is now waiting for your next BS.. We know who made it to list of the greatest players ever with their playmaking, but we want you to show us who are these long range shooters who made it to the list mostly because of "but but 35-40m" by the way, number of goals of the box: Messi: 95 penaldo: 69 they never stop embarrassing themselves over and over.. looll... your argument iq is so low that I'm not even having any fun anymore. Have you ever taken Maths or Stats 101, clown? so good penaldo outside the box 68 goals in 1236 games 5% of the time (meaning 35-40 m. are even less) big chance creation Messi 78% of the time imagine something penaldo can do in only 5% of the games (much lower than Messi) makes him so good..... and not only that imagine also thinking 78% and 5% are comparable, looooolllll.... the guy truly thinks penaldo is scoring a long-range goal in almost very game to the extent he can forget about playmaking or dribbling because he scores a long range goal every game, when in reality he only scores 5 long range goals in 100 games, loooll... imagine calling something doable in only 5% of the games as a major category and strength, llooooolll.... it's like Platini, Zidane, Pirlo, Messi, Maradona doing playmaking in only 5% of the games... or Messi, Maradona dribbling in only 10% of the games.. This is what I mean by braindead penaldo fans, they're not only delusional but fully enjoy getting exposed over and over... the tragic thing is they never give up and always manage to come up with the next big BS..
If I had to isolate a randomized moment in time, where both Cristiano Ronaldo, or Lionel Messi receives the ball outside the box, approximately 40m away from the goal, and I had to guess who would increase the odds of a goal being scored, via whatever toolkits available including powerful long range shots, intricate one-two passes with teammates, or direct dribbles towards the goal, I would bet on Lionel Messi most of the time. Cristiano Ronaldo closes the gap not by any isolated moments, even if we specify it to receiving the ball very far away from the goal, but through superior stamina, busier off-the-ball movement, honing of skillsets that make him goal-scoring threat from a wider range of scenarios.
I'm waiting for you to provide the source where you get 834 big chances created by Messi in 1069 matches
serafim comrade trying to save face after getting exposed.. https://www.messivsronaldo.app/detailed-stats/big-chances-created/ now, serafim, see below what the whole forum is waiting for 1) List those players who made it to the greatest ever list mostly because of "but but long range shooting".. We all know who made it there primarily due to their playmaking skills, now it's your turn to educate us on those long range masterminds that made it to the list primarily due to long range shooting skills.. 2) tell us why penaldo can score long range goals "he's so good at" only 5 times in 100 games (mind you this is not 35-40m goals, but all the outside the box goals percentage meaning 35-40m goal percentage is even worse) 3) explain why you think something that's doable in only 5% of the games by a so-called long range goal expert (lmaaooo) penaldo a major category like playmaking, dribbling looll... 4) enlighten us on your unique IQ utilization process in equating long range goals penaldo can only score 5% of the games with playmaking that's a part of every single game and then telling "but but longrange shOOtinG is comparable to playmaking" 5) tell us if you're considering posting your new invention "playmaking comparable to long range shooting" in Real Madrid forum.. Don't worry, we'll be closely watching the reactions to your genius idea and support you to death in case you need it, looll.. below is the address to post. https://www.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/ looking forward to your responses, in the meantime, we will all continue having fun while waiting for your next BS, lmaaoo...
So your source only have stats for 10/11 onwards. Where are the other 400+ big chances created before this?
Serafim, why don't you stop playing the dumb and answer the questions below? By now, everybody is aware of your argument style, intentions and agenda, clown.. You were so adamant on your "but but long range shooting comparable to playmaking" invention until you got exposed big time as usual.. don't be so timid and scared, answer the below questions, lmaaaooo.. 1) List those players who made it to the greatest ever list mostly because of "but but long range shooting".. We all know who made it there primarily due to their playmaking skills, now it's your turn to educate us on those long range masterminds that made it to the list primarily due to long range shooting skills.. 2) tell us why penaldo can score long range goals "he's so good at" only 5 times in 100 games (mind you this is not 35-40m goals, but all the outside the box goals percentage meaning 35-40m goal percentage is even worse) 3) explain why you think something that's doable in only 5% of the games by a so-called long range goal expert (lmaaooo) penaldo a major category like playmaking, dribbling looll... 4) enlighten us on your unique IQ utilization process in equating long range goals penaldo can only score 5% of the games with playmaking that's a part of every single game and then telling "but but longrange shOOtinG is comparable to playmaking" 5) tell us if you're considering posting your new invention "playmaking comparable to long range shooting" in Real Madrid forum.. Don't worry, we'll be closely watching the reactions to your genius idea and support you to death in case you need it, looll.. below is the address to post. https://www.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/
I don't agree at all really. I am unsure how you arrive at this conclusion. Ronaldo is the more powerful player and more capable goalscorer. He is the more likely one of the two to get a goal
clown he's talking about everything not just shooting. Messi already beats the shit out of penaldo in terms of the outside the box goals (95 vs 68). He is a way way better playmaker, dribbler, chance creator. Anyone with half the brain of a football fan would leave the ball to Messi, Maradona, Pele type of players rather than a tap-in diva with shitty technique, way inferior football vision and IQ. lmaaaoooooo... source 1: penaldo's 3 goals in 21 knockout games in 5 WCs + 6 Euros source 2: penaldo's last Golden Shoe in 2015 source 3: penaldo's Golden Shoe record source 3: penaldo's "single" league top goalscorer award in the last 9 years in Europe
Saywhat BS I want trying to save his comrade's ass, lmaooooo... This is the same clown who was reducing Messi's goalscoring to "but but elite goalscoring only 2010" and sent into oblivion after getting exposed... imagine the level of pain and sorrow Messi caused in their lives.. Three comrades trying to cope by supporting each other on a daily basis using the forum as a support network so that they can survice, lmaaaooo... By the way, the whole forum is waiting answers for below. 1) List those players who made it to the greatest ever list mostly because of "but but long range shooting".. We all know who made it there primarily due to their playmaking skills, now it's your turn to educate us on those long range masterminds that made it to the list primarily due to long range shooting skills.. 2) tell us why penaldo can score long range goals "he's so good at" only 5 times in 100 games (mind you this is not 35-40m goals, but all the outside the box goals percentage meaning 35-40m goal percentage is even worse) 3) explain why you think something that's doable in only 5% of the games by a so-called long range goal expert (lmaaooo) penaldo a major category like playmaking, dribbling looll... 4) enlighten us on your unique IQ utilization process in equating long range goals penaldo can only score 5% of the games with playmaking that's a part of every single game and then telling "but but longrange shOOtinG is comparable to playmaking" 5) tell us if you're considering posting your new invention "playmaking comparable to long range shooting" in Real Madrid forum.. Don't worry, we'll be closely watching the reactions to your genius idea and support you to death in case you need it, looll.. below is the address to post. https://www.reddit.com/r/realmadrid/
I'll be honest but I legit did not read more than 2 words of your very long response. Again, where did you get those numbers?
Out of the box goals was never a meaningful metric prior to the Whoscored ‘era’ This is why I am not even seriously entertaining this discussion the only long range goals that were remembered throughout history as either being uniquely impressive,a ‘cut above the rest’ or even worthy of being put into their own separate category were the ones like this Etc… The ones above and beyond the capabilities of your typical average pro level player 99%(if not more)of Lionel Messis ‘out of the box’ open play goals were and are replicated literally dozens of times in europes top 5 leagues (and beyond) literally every single season. During the playing career of Messi,before his professional debut and of course way way before you was able to wrap your large mouth and keyboard warrior fingers around his cock. A player of 700+ games let alone 1200 games can’t be discriminated against on the basis of what he did in 21 games Those 21 WC/Euro KO games are literally 0.016% of the games he has played in his career(21 games out of 1236 professional games) This what it boils down to? if you really want the measure the true value of a goalscorer this is what you look for All games All knockout rounds All champions league games All champions league knockout games All La Liga games All Euro/Copa games All World Cup games This is meaningful Not who scored more open play goals 1cm outside the penalty box as if the penalty box line is the magical line that dictates literally anything scored outside of it as being amazing and anything inside of it as being less amazing.
I'll be honest, I legit am wondering why you're posting BS and then disappearing after getting exposed over and over. do you enjoying spreading BS about Messi? Why are you three guys always playing the dumb? Do you think nobody is aware of what you're doing here? lmaaoaooo..
Another clown, comrade carlito just showed up, lmaaooooo.... now trying to diminish the value of Euros & WCs... Imagine the narrative they'd use had their useless idol shined in a WC, they'd put it in our day in day out.. This is the same as saying but but Olympic Games do not matter for athletes because it's just a two week tournament held every 4-years, double your copium, clown... league top scorer in Europe: Messi 8 vs penaldo 5 UCL top scorer: Messi 6 vs penaldo 7 Golden Shoe: Messi 6 vs penaldo 4 most goals in a calendar year: Messi most goals in a season: Messi WC knockout g&a: Messi 11 vs penaldo 0 "but but if you want a topscorer, this is what you look, forget about Euro/WC knockouts or penaldo having less Golden Shoes, or him having less league golden boots etc. etc. because they don't matter because penaldo is officially owned in these areas" Sincerely yours, comrade carlito, a Real Vardrid fan unbelievable level of delusion, lol... you guys never disappoint, I give you that.. just when we think it is over, as I said, they always manage to come back with a new BS, lmaaaooo..
The shittest analogy from big soccers elite crackhead Do Olympic athletes compete professionally 2 times a week,every single week,for 9 consecutive months every single year for 20 consecutive years?