The MLS Stadium Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by fairfax4dc, May 20, 2016.

  1. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Austin and Columbus both suck. Cincinnati Rulez.....
     
  2. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I miss all this awesome drama and nobody posts the MJ popcorn gif? Everybody who doesn't support Columbus or Austin should be ashamed.

    On topic... The St. Louis thing is really odd. Can they really claim Eminent Domain for the construction of a stadium?
     
  3. 110toyourleft

    110toyourleft Member+

    Jan 27, 2007
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reminds me of this great episode: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/holdout/

    Or the movie, Up.
     
  4. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    It depends on Missouri law but probably yes. The US Constitution requires property taken by eminent domain to be for a public purpose and with fair compensation paid. A sports stadium open to the public should qualify unless Missouri tightened their ED statute after a US Supreme court case called Kelo. In that case the court ruled a public purpose was just about anything a public body declared it to be (a city in CT wanted to seize Suzette Kelo's house so a real estate developer could build an office park which would pay more taxes than a residential street). That prompted a political backlash so some states and cities did restrict ED.
     
  5. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Wasn't there a similar case north of Boston where the Supreme Court ruled that the town could take the private land to turn it over for redevelopment by another private company?
     
  6. DCW531

    DCW531 Member

    City SC
    Jan 31, 2017
    St. Louis, MO
    I didn't see it mentioned in the article, but that lot is owned by Anthem Blue Cross. They are located in the big white building 2 blocks east of the lot. If any can afford a protracted fight over eminent domain, it would be them. Hopefully it won't come to that.
     
  7. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodger_Stadium
     
  8. SierraSpartan

    SierraSpartan Member+

    Jan 25, 2007
    Placer County, CA
    Club:
    Sacramento Republic FC
    Somebody needs to park a mobile home in the middle of that parking lot, STAT.
     
  9. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't have questioned it if it were the 1950's. Of course, but it's surprising to me that it's an option anymore. While I usually disagree with its use, if it were going to be able to be used, I'd be ok with it being used to take domain of a parking lot.
     
  10. Brian in Boston

    Brian in Boston Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    MA & CA, USA
    There was the battle over the Northern Pass hydropower project in New Hampshire's North Country, or Great North Woods. A partnership comprised of Hydro-Quebec and Northeast Utilities (now known as Eversource) wanted to build a transmission line through the state. The problem was that 40-some-odd miles of the 192 miles needed for the project were to be newly-acquired right of way through privately-held property. After almost a decade of wrangling with residents, environmentalists, and elected officials who were dead set against Northern Pass, the $1.5 billion project was abandoned a year ago this month.
     
  11. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Connecticut, but close. Kelo v. City of New London
     
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  12. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dont know that in the eyes of a court they would be allowed to differentiate between, say, a private residence and a parking lot, but they sure ought to. To me, throwing someone out of their home so that some developer can build a strip mall and some condos, and ripping up a parking lot are two very different things.

    I just can't get over the feeling that this is a game of chicken; this isn't one of those cases where a widow has been living there for 50 years and just doesn't want to give up her house, its an insurance company making a business decision that whatever is being offered isn't good enough.

    Whole different game and, as someone noted above if this ends up as a court fight, it'll be long, expensive and ugly. They'll be dropping white shoe lawyers like paratroopers at Normandy.

    Meanwhile the Kindle family - which we could note in passing is witnessing the near total collapse of their core business, rental cars - has lined up some trailers and a bulldozer or two and is busily pushing dirt back and forth to prove they're serious.

    That would appear to be a bluff; when they start setting pilings and pouring concrete before they own the whole plot, we'll know they're not kidding around.

    What fun..
     
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  13. DCW531

    DCW531 Member

    City SC
    Jan 31, 2017
    St. Louis, MO
    If they are bluffing, they are bluffing all in. I drove by the construction site today, there is probably double the equipment there now, and the west side (bottom of the picture linked above) is now lined with construction trailers. They are not outwardly showing an signs of slowdown or concern.
     
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  14. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Got down to the site the other day and took some stadium porn shots my own self. These are from the fence looking west along the south side of the stadium, and then looking north.

    Starting to come together.


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  15. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Not MLS, but Louisville opened the best sss outside of MLS today. Very cool for a lower division club.
     
  16. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, I realize COVID has thrown a lot into chaos, and I checked out for a while, but is this accurate?

    1. Miami Lockhart 2.0.

    Finished. Awaiting Grand Opening.

    2.-4. Cincy, Austin, Columbus.

    Moving right along.

    5. St. Louis

    Site prep underway, save for that one parking lot. Eminent domain imminent?

    6. Nashville.

    Some site prep demo done. On hold momentarily due to lawsuit & having to re-vote due to not giving proper public notice on approval vote.

    7. Sacramento.

    Not started. Last update from April said summer start still on track.

    -----------------Prospective Stadiums-----------

    8. Miami Arsenic Park.

    Clustered.

    9. NYCFC.

    Possible positive developments a while ago, but nothing since.

    10. Chicago.

    New ownership seems like they want a home, but expect an extended stay at Soldier Field.

    11. New England.

    Brady's gone, so maybe Kraft pays attention? Nah.
     
  17. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
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  18. crew2112

    crew2112 Member+

    Jan 25, 2008
    Dayton, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I just looking at it earlier today and that 3rd view wasn’t available so you may be the first to have seen it.
     
  19. fairfax4dc

    fairfax4dc Member+

    Dec 5, 2008
    Fairfax, Va
    This is an amazing stadium. And the "facts and figures" section of the website already best by far. Imagine this:
    SACO Shockwave V-Stick S products 2.65 Miles (4.3 km)
     
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  20. wingman2468

    wingman2468 Member

    Austin FC
    United States
    May 25, 2018
    Austin has redesigned their north building to accommodate hospitality NOT Office space, with the addition of a Beer Hall and two-story merch store now 5000 square feet. This comes as a precursor to adding additional seating in the north end, in which the stadium is zoned for 22,000. (Currently 20,500).
     
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  21. Honore de Ballsac

    Oct 28, 2005
    France.
    That's not sad, right?
     
  22. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Interesting.

    Check out which game is on the monitors.
     
  23. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure the connection you're making is accurate. Red isn't anywhere in Austin's color pallet, so there isn't a reason to think it is anything other than two generic teams playing each other.
     
  24. DCYC

    DCYC Member

    Chivas, DC United, Reno 1868
    Mar 24, 2010
    Reno, NV
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    two generic teams from Ohio playing each other
     
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  25. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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