The MLS 2025 Attendance Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Paul Berry, Jan 26, 2025.

  1. sportie1

    sportie1 Member+

    Sep 4, 2008
    the new MLS schedule will run between mid-July to beginning of December; mid-February to end of April; then the playoffs- ITS THE RIGHT MOVE

    the weather issue will be a trade-off where the crucial part of the season leading to the playoffs will be during better weather and uninterrupted (its the opposite of what we have, but this is its last season- adios)

    the league has finally come to the point where it needs to align with the FIFA and other major leagues schedules- our days of being an outlier league are OVER

    next will be the salary cap debate- and that will be even more dramatic and scrappier

    then will come the time for promotion-relegation and amalgamation with other pro and semi-pro leagues

    but i probably wont be around to see all that happen

    EMBRACE CHANGE OR BE LEFT BEHIND
     
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  2. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He says, while clinging to the antiquated P/R model.

    (Also, there's no such thing as a FIFA calendar when it comes to league seasons. Only for international breaks)
     
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  3. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    After pro/rel they can officially change the name to “The MLS.”
     
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  4. SetPeace

    SetPeace Member+

    Jun 22, 2004
    SC Illinois
    Club:
    Torquay United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean like, "THE Ohio State University"?


    NEVER :p
     
  5. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Be left behind how exactly?

    From 0 teams to 30 teams among some of the richest in the world in 30 years. How is that being left behind?
     
  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Has anyone done an FX series called Welcome to Frisco? No?

    Checkmate!
     
  7. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't they want to move Camp Cupcake to December anyways?
     
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  8. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They already are moving it..... in anticipation of MLS' impending schedule change.
     
  9. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Vancouver-LAFC is officially a stadium sellout.
     
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  10. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    16,714 for the galaxy vs club America friendly in the pouring rain (we're not used to this).
     
  11. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    17,224 in Chester for USA vs Paraguay. Considering that the majority of empty seats were in the middle, my guess would be that prices were extremely high.
     
  12. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Record crowd (6,745) for the Riverhounds as they win the Eastern Conference!
     
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  13. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Has the usmnt gotten less popular since '94? They were getting 100k crowds of mainly pro us fans 30 years ago when soccer wasn't even a thing. Now they can't fill half a lower bowl with half the fans cheering for the opponent. Usmnt might be the 40th most popular team at their home world cup.
     
  14. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    26,110 was the attendance btw.
     
  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #1215 Paul Berry, Nov 19, 2025
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2025
    The average attendance for friendlies the year before the last home World Cup was 13,057 and that included 52,397 against Germany.

    1993 friendlies

    Denmark 13,215 Tempe
    Romania 9,127 Santa Barbara
    Russia 13,651 Orlando
    Russia 25,789 Stanford
    Canada 5,743 Costa Mesa
    Iceland 3,143 Costa Mesa
    Colombia 17,652 Miami
    Bolivia 9,578 Fullerton
    Peru 5,500 Mission Viejo
    Mexico 23,927 DC
    Ukraine 4,298 High Point
    Ukraine 7,896 Bethlehem
    Jamaica 5,318 Fullerton
    Cayman Islands 3,612 Mission Viejo
    El Salvador 7,618 Los Angeles
    Germany 52,397 Palo Alto

    The average attendance for friendlies this year was 21,519.

    In general attendance for friendlies dropped off a cliff in 2015 and I've documented that several times.
     
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  16. SabreKhan

    SabreKhan Member+

    Jun 25, 2007
    United States
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If US Soccer wants attention at friendlies, it needs to win something outside CONCACAF. Also, needs to beat Mexico consistently. Every time. Every year. Every competition. You can lose to Banana Republic once in awhile, but you absolutely have to beat Mexico.
     
  17. eagercolin

    eagercolin Member+

    Metro
    United States
    Aug 25, 2017
    Buffalo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If MLS is an outlier league because it does things better and more rationally than elsewhere, then there's no need to come into alignment. So, no: don't adopt the financial practices of leagues where teams routinely go bankrupt, and don't adopt the ridiculous and shambolic competitive formats of league that are so puny and broke that teams are ritually defenestrated every year because there aren't actually 20 legitimate major league clubs.
     
  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's one of the reasons attendances have dropped. The massive friendly attendances in in the 00s came against England, France, Brazil and Germany. Playing Costa Rica, Canada and Mexico repeatedly isn't going to pull them in. Plus tickets appear to be priced to milk the most loyal fans as opposed to appealing to casual fans and families.

    Also I think being outnumbered by opposing fans doesn't always feel comfortabl, no matter how benign they may be.

    The one NT match I watched in Vegas was constantly interrupted by arguing between Mexican fans with two fights breaking out in the area I was sitting.
     
  19. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's quite a few factors.

    1.) US Soccer has grown into a viable business, with real expenses that need funding to cover
    2.) Modern Stadiums cost a lot of money to operate, therefore the rents are higher.
    3.) Soccer Specific Stadiums are smaller, so ticket supply is smaller.
    4.) TV dictates when the games are because they actually cares to show the games now.
    5.) Not meeting greater expectations leads to lower turnout due to a competitive entertainment market.

    This all leads to higher prices for all seats. Which leads to lower attendance.
     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While all that is true, I think that's a result of very short-term thinking. I guess stadium rent and lack of control over concessions revenue doesn't help.
     
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  21. sportie1

    sportie1 Member+

    Sep 4, 2008
    its not rocket science- the FIFA schedule has an impact, especially on MLS - we are now have a 2-3 week break IN THE PLAYOFFS which is absurdly absurd; we also had FIFA competitions in the summer that went on-and-on and international MLS players were missing from regular MLS games- now MLS can make a schedule that fits the international schedule

    neither of these will happen once MLS is on the soccer world schedule- coupled with a common trade schedules, its another growing up win-

    if you want to play with the big leagues in the World, you have to play by the rules which means a mid-summer start until the following May

    next up will be the salary cap

    a Pro-Rel in MLS -- thats a big mozza ball of controversy, but there has to be a conversation sometime in the future
     
  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So where is this "soccer world schedule" you speak of? In the FIFA bylaws somewhere? I assume it details out exactly what schedule a league should follow? So then its obvious that leagues like Sweden and Brazil are rogue nations doing their own thing?

    Oh right, none of that is true, because a "soccer world schedule" doesn't exist. Its just an appeal to authority fallacy to try to make an argument stronger. I guess I can't really blame you, even Don Garber has used the same fallacy.

    The only "international schedule" that exists is FIFA's list of international match windows.
     
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  23. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This break is MLS' choice though. It doesn't have to be this way, but the league CHOOSES to prolong it's playoffs. They could easily fit the playoffs in before the international break by going to a straight KO format and playing Saturday-Wednesday-Saturday.
     
  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But that would make less money.
     
  25. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Short term, yes. Long term, it would make more. Compare interest in the playoffs in 2022 and today. Increased interest, will lead to higher viewership numbers for the playoffs. That in turn will lead to an increase in sponsorship dollars, and eventually more lucrative broadcast deals.

    MLS still largely runs like a small family business.
     

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