The MLS 2025 Attendance Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Paul Berry, Jan 26, 2025.

  1. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Palmeiras v Al Ahly 35,179
    Miami v Porto 31,783
     
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  2. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    I'm guessing they expected more for the Messi roadshow.
     
  3. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    If I blocked him I wouldn't have seen this gem:
     
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  4. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean.. Miami did win the 2024 Supporters' Shield. So while their addition over the MLS Cup winner may be arbitrary, they at least won a trophy last season.
     
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  5. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, if they had announced before the Shield was won that the Shield winner would get in nobody (essentially) would be questioning Miami being there. Its just that it appears (because its almost certainly true) that they decided they wanted Miami in and then worked back for the best justification for adding them.
     
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  6. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Think of the alternate universe where this year's LA Galaxy are in this tournament.
     
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  7. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait, how did their 2023 Leagues Cup win factor in?

    :oops::confused:
     
  8. AZUL GALAXY

    AZUL GALAXY Member

    Aug 28, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    But the ticket prices were expensive
     
  9. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    I bet the tickets for the MLS match against Miami were more.
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    51,636 for Seattle - Atleti
     
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  11. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    There we go!
     
  12. AZUL GALAXY

    AZUL GALAXY Member

    Aug 28, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    53,699 @ Rose bowl
     
  13. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Bigger crowd in Seattle but definitely much more casuals. Much better atmosphere in game 1.
     
  14. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of the four Club World Cup games on Thursday, the one involving Messi had the lowest attendance. That's different.
     
  15. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Looks like at least half of the allure was seeing Messi against the local team, not just seeing him.
     
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  16. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    11,727 for USA vs Saudi Arabia. The fanbase has COMPLETELY collapsed now. Next game will be AT&T stadium with Dominican Republic vs Suriname opening. Another 12k coming up but now in a giant NFL Stadium.
     
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  17. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    The Gold Cup is currently averaging 19,867. Last year ended up with 32,728.
    The CWC is averaging 36,433. The last time we had a large CWC was 25 years ago in Brazil. 36,714 per match was their final attendance average.

    Hard to compare to the smaller format CWCs, but there is almost no chance we top the average from 2006: 46,450 in Japan.
     
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  18. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    #468 crookeddy, Jun 20, 2025
    Last edited: Jun 20, 2025
    I researched when was the last time a USA vs Mexico match didn't sellout its stadium, as is likely to happen if Mexico loses to CRC and faces the USA at AT&T. I didn't have to research long. 2024 Nation's League final - 59,471 at AT&T. I would definitely not expect more than that this time either.

    The last 5 USA vs Mexico soccer full international matches in the United States that did not sell out were on September 11, 2018, March 24, 2019, July 11, 2021, April 19, 2023, and March 24, 2024. The last 5 times they did sell out were on June 12, 2015, June 7, 2017, November 12, 2021, February 2, 2023, and June 15, 2023.

    So - a USA Mexico match is just as likely to not sellout as it is to do so in the last few years.
     
  19. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    54,619 for flamengo vs Chelsea
     
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  20. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    63,587 in Miami for Boca vs Bayern
     
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  21. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    6,730 for Auckland vs Benfica in Orlando
    13,651 in Nashville for LAFC vs Esperance

    Tournament average currently 36,136.
     
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  22. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    #472 crookeddy, Jun 21, 2025
    Last edited: Jun 21, 2025
    Panama - Guatemala 20,408 in Austin though I am having a hard time believing the number. That would be very close to a sellout and there were a huge number of empty seats - was that from Jamaica fans who left or something?

    ANYWAY... we can accept that Mexico draws better than the USMNT, but Guatemela really shouldn't be. This is a fanbase in significant crisis.

    Current Gold Cup average is now 18,659. Now, the games in big NFL stadiums are still coming, but this editition is SIGNIFICANTLY behind the last Gold few Gold Cups now. 2023 - 32,728. 2021 - 20,541 (covid), 2019 - 33,651, 2017 - 35,027, 2015 - 41,938 per match and you have to go all the way back to 2005 before we get to a gold cup with attendance lower than 20k.

    Off topic - the 1993 Gold Cup final at the Azteca had an amazing attendance of 130,800.

    More depressing: Take a look at these attendances from 1989 (when we commonly say soccer barely existed in this country) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_CONCACAF_Championship Similar level to what we're seeing these days for this team of millionaires!
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not that depressing when you acknowledge there's a major tournament happening in the US simultaneously featuring US and a Mexican teams.

    The US attendances are a concern though but it's a trend that started in 2015. They've had lots of time to try and address it.
     
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  24. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    USMNT fans needed a rest, they decided to go golfing instead.
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    In addition to tracking the number of fans, I’d be interested in tracking the prices with an adjustment for inflation.
     
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