The Mike Huckabee (R) Campaign Thread

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My opinion is that in the short term, W has turned people off from messianic certainty. In 2008, Huckabee's brand of religion will not help him win.
     
  2. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    There are major problems with Huckabee.

    He raises taxes. He's admitted as much. The GOP would have a fit about it.

    Plus, he wanted to quarantine all AIDS victims. That has to be one of the dumbest ideas of all time.

    He's said he wants to put Jesus Christ in politics.

    He has no passion, and he's the unhumorous version of Gomer Pyle.

    The fact that he could win Iowa just shows how f'ed up the people in Iowa really are.
     
  3. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No, the reason is that Huckabee (and all the GOPs except Ron Paul, really) have been working their asses off pandering to the religious right, plus Huckabee's big ad buy in Iowa describes him as a Christian leader.
     
  4. MasterShake29

    MasterShake29 Member+

    Oct 28, 2001
    Jersey City, NJ
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    New York Red Bulls
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    United States
    If this cycle has taught us anything, it's that the liberal-conservative dichotomy isn't one. Is Ron Paul a leftist? No. Is he a rightist? No. So then he's a moderate? No, not really.

    Think of a diamond, with libertarian at the top and say authoritarian at the bottom. Huckabee is somewhere on the right side of the authoritarian quadrant, similar to Bush (but perhaps not as much, that's another debate).
     
  5. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Barry Goldwater's old school conservatism without question would have been at odds with Huckabee. It's as if he's speaking to him directly. Quote from 1981, when Reagan, religion, and pro-life was creeping permanently into the GOP.

    http://pieceofmind.wordpress.com/2006/11/10/wwbd-what-would-barry-do/
    There is no position on which people are so immovable as their religious beliefs. There is no more powerfull ally one can claim in a debate than Jesus, God, or Allah, or whatever one calls the supreme being. But like any powerful weapon, the use of God’s name on one’s behalf should be used sparingly. The religious factions that are growing throughout our land are not using their religious clout with wisdom. They are trying to force government leaders into following their position 100 percent. If you disagree with these religious groups on a particular moral issue, they complain, they threaten you with a loss of money or votes or both. I’m frankly sick and tired of the political preachers across this country telling me as a citizen that if I want to be a moral person, I must believe in A,B,C, and D. Just who do they think they are? And from where do they presume to claim the right to dictate their moral beliefs to me? And I am even more angry as a legislator who must endure the threats of every religious group who thinks it has some God-granted right to control my vote on every roll call in the Senate. I am warning them today: I will fight them every step of the way if they try to dictate their moral convictions to all Americans in the name of conservatism.

    Imagine that. Republicans don't talk like this anymore. Fascinating history 4 ya.
     
  6. The Big Ticket

    The Big Ticket New Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    MN -> UIUC
    I would say that evangelical Christians have been turned off by W. That's one of the reasons why the Democrats won back Congress in 2006. I remember Howard Dean commenting that the Dems saw a big increase in votes from white evangelicals in that election. That's why the Republicans need a candidate like Huckabee. He's the only one who can win back the support of evangelical Christians, and that's a demographic that the Republicans need in order to win in 2008. (Whether they like it or not.) That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.

    The thing that stands in Huckabee's way is not his religion. It's things like the Dumond incident, and other ghosts of his past.
     
  7. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Goldwater kind of sounds like Ron Paul. Ya think?

    http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/goldwater.html

    Insisted Goldwater, "Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects. . . ""By maintaining the separation of church and state," he explained, "the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars . . . Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers? Can anyone look at the carnage in Iran, the bloodshed in Northem Ireland, or the bombs bursting in Lebanon and yet question the dangers of injecting religious issues into the affairs of state?"
    Goldwater concluded with a waming to the American people. "The religious factions will go on imposing their will on others," { he said,} "unless the decent people connected to them recognize that religion has no place in public policy. They must learn to make their views known without trying to make their views the only alternatives. . . We have succeeded for 205 years in keeping the affairs of state separate from the uncompromising idealism of religious groups and we mustn't stop now" { he insisted}. "To retreat from that separation would violate the principles of conservatism and the values upon which the framers built this democratic republic."


    Fascinating stuff. History repeats itself.
     
  8. Roel

    Roel Member

    Jan 15, 2000
    Santa Cruz mountains
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    Liverpool FC
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    Netherlands
    There is no paranoia. Hux gets to meet his maker and sinner can all rot in hell for eternity. Just by pushing the button! A double-win for an evangelical.
     
  9. Autogolazo

    Autogolazo BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 19, 2000
    Bombay Beach, CA
    No doubt.

    When I was growing up, Republicans were about low taxes, balanced budgets, controlled spending, and small government staying out of people's way.

    Now it's all JESUS, all the time, and the people's money can be taxed and spent and pour out of any orifice as long as JESUS is invoked constantly.

    And government (aka JESUS) needs to be snooping on your phone calls and telling you what you can and can't do in your own home and with your own body.

    It's sick, but the American people keep falling for it, over and over. And they are again with Huckabee.

    I just wonder what happened to fiscal conservatives--do they even exist anymore?
     
  10. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Let's rephrase this, do YOU (not they) like the power of evangelical Christians in determining who runs this country?
     
  11. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    I think the closest guy to Goldwater in the GOP is Ron Paul. "Dr. No" believes in cutting the size of government and keeping government out of the lives of people. I believe Ron Paul will help form a 3rd party, might even run as a 3rd party candidate, and fracture the right. The $ is there, the bipartisan votes are there. I could be wrong though, but that's what I see happening. He already said he can't support any GOP candidate except himself.

    He's anti-abortion, but believes in states rights.

    By the way, great Morissey pic. :D
     
  12. The Big Ticket

    The Big Ticket New Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    MN -> UIUC
    Considering that I'm an evangelical Christian, I don't have a problem with it, no. :D
     
  13. The Big Ticket

    The Big Ticket New Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    MN -> UIUC
    If you completely ignore foreign policy, yes.

    And I don't think Ron Paul would have supported Joe McCarthy.
     
  14. BudWiser

    BudWiser New Member

    Jul 17, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    That's true. Good point. Goldwater was anti-Communist, Paul is non-interventionist/anti-war.
     
  15. TheSlipperyOne

    TheSlipperyOne Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Denver
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    Arsenal FC
    Huckabee would never do that. He'd be too afraid to be anywhere near people with AIDS.

    He'd get the sickness you know.
     
  16. Revolt

    Revolt Member+

    Jun 16, 1999
    Davis, CA
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  17. tcmahoney

    tcmahoney New Member

    Feb 14, 1999
    Metronatural
    Axis Alex defending the Clinton News Network? Now I've seen everything.

    It still doesn't make sense. And shit journalism is still shit journalism.
     
  18. tcmahoney

    tcmahoney New Member

    Feb 14, 1999
    Metronatural
    closest != exact
     
  19. pylon

    pylon New Member

    Mar 28, 2004
    Chi-Det corridor
    You'd be surprised. West Michigan (especially around Grand Rapids-Holland-Muskegon) is politically very conservative and heavily Christian evangelical. I've heard some describe Michigan as a Bible Belt state that's been misplaced.

    Incidentally (for those who don't already know) Mitt's father, George Romney, was governor of Michigan from 1963-69.
     
  20. The Big Ticket

    The Big Ticket New Member

    Jan 30, 2004
    MN -> UIUC
    Well, I'm not sure Ron Paul is the closest to Goldwater. I think Fred Thompson might be. They're both similar to Goldwater, but in different ways.
     
  21. Claymore

    Claymore Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Montgomery Vlg, MD
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    DC United
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    United States
  22. chapulincolorado

    Jul 14, 1999
    McAllen, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Rollins signs on to run Huckabee campaign

    Huckabee, like Reagan, wouldn't be an 'easy kill'


     
  23. Anthony

    Anthony Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Aug 20, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, this is the first time in God knows how long (1964, 1980?) where there is no GOP heir apparent.

    And while pundits have been hoping for a brokered convention since I was in college, could this be the time? What if Giuliani and Romney end up with large blocks of delegates, Huckabee, McCain, Paul and Thompson with smaller blocks. With the frontloading of primaries this year, there may be no time for a consensus candidate to emerge? McCain or Thompson might stay in, hoping they become the compromise.

    Now, I doubt it. On Februrary 6, we will know who the GOP nominee is. But you are right, it will be fun.
     
  24. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
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    CA Boca Juniors
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