The Middle Class Blames every one but themselves

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  1. taosjohn

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    Cue the GOP "Obviously those tax cuts weren't big enough" inevitable response.
     
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    The governor of my home state of Nebraska is pushing for a 40% property tax cut. Since neighboring Kansas already tried this and managed to gut state services and the budget, you'd think the legislature and taxpayers won't fall for it. But I have a sneaking suspicion they will.

    EDIT: "Tried this" as in "drastically cut tax revenue"; IIRC, Kansas under Brownback cut income taxes rather than property, but the bottom line was gutting revenue and hampering state services drastically.
     
  5. ShayG

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    The majority will always vote for any tax cut and then be stunned when public services drop. As I’ve become painfully aware since 2016, the majority are idiots.
     
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  6. Funkfoot

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    No surprise that some in Louisiana want to try it, too.
     
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  7. superdave

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    IIRC Brownback’s budget was so obviously catastrophic that Kansas elected a Democrat to be governor.
     
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    And susequently re-elected her. State currently has a multi-billion dollar surplus.
     
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  9. superdave

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    Can I make an observation?

    Once upon a time, just 16 years ago, it was a cliche that governors make the best presidents, and also that sitting senators don’t fare well in elections. See, senators have to make this controversial votes on national issues and governors running against them could easily cherry pick items for 30 second negative ads.

    Then Senator Obama beat Senator McCain, and since then, we’ve had national figures leading the tickets, not state figures. I suspect this trend goes with the increasing polarization of our politics, since governors get elected from the “wrong” party fairly often in states because at that level people look for competence over ideology. Anyway, lately being a national figure seems to be an advantage; those big votes on big bills NOW are proof that the senator isn’t heterodox in any way.

    So when someone like Brownback takes Washington politics and ideology to a state, the latter might end up rejecting it as a foreign antibody.

    So maybe Nebraska needs to hit rock bottom for a term and then have the Dems fix things like they did in Kansas.
     
  10. Dr. Wankler

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    "Not Sure I Agree Yet, But Worth Thinking About" rep
     
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  11. superdave

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    There's a reason NC almost always elects GOPs to the Senate and Dems to the governorship, and it ain't gerrymandering.

    And that was entirely the intent of my post...running a thought up the flagpole and seeing how it flies.

    The problem with presidential elections as a subject for scientific inquiry is that we only have 1 every 4 years, so you pretty quickly run into a "not enough trials to prove anything" problem. But you're more or less my age, and also politically aware, so you've also been around while this conventional wisdom (governors make the best presidential candidates) has fallen.
     
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    Because deep down inside they want to screw over the rest of the country?
     
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  13. superdave

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    Nah it's because votes vote their actual preferences for state elections, but their professed preferences at the national level. It seems like in NC, 1 in every 25 voters reliably votes GOP for Senate and then Dem for governor.
     
  14. bigredfutbol

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    Democrats should be more competitive in Nebraska. The state party really needs to ditch Jane Kleeb. She's been a disaster as a leader.
     
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    Like we were sold a bill of goods by The Great Pretender
     
  16. taosjohn

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    FYP...
     
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    They're called favelas
     
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    First collusion, then parachute:

     
  19. dapip

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    New Gilded Age here we are:

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  20. rslfanboy

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    It would be cool if they at least used some of that money to fund some kick ass art like they did 100years ago. Instead we get stupid toaster-looking cars and drone shows.
     
  21. bigredfutbol

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    More like 130 years ago (I know--we're all getting old).

    They also funded some great public buildings and institutions.
     
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  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Asshole golfer Phil Mickelson has some thoughts on wages

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    I wondered why Josh would say that,then I realized Andy Jassy is (((globalist))).
    Someone tell Phil.
     

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