It looks like another Mexican club is interested in MLS. This might be a quick way to find new investors, other soccer crazy countires. "We believe that we are a growing institution and we would like to follow the right path. Our next aim is to create an affiliation with MLS." -- Jesus Martinez, president of Mexican Apertura 2003 champion Pachuca, announcing intentions to pursue an MLS franchise, Tuzos-USA, and the creation of a soccer academy in the United States. (Esto)
Clubs from other countries look at the US and see a huge number of potential young players running through fields full of cash. Mexicans especially see their countrymen making huge amounts of money and want some of it. So far, nobody has really figured out how to get the players and the money out of the country. When (and if) Chivas USA happens, we should have a better idea of how foreign investment fits with US soccer. But right now there's a lot of people announcing stuff without much concrete happening. Stay tuned.
Boy. I just can't wait for the MLS tables to look like this: Galaxy Revolution Tuzos-USA Burn Chivas-USA Cementieros-USA Rapids Necaxa-USA Metrostars Fire Tiberones-USA Pumas-USA Crew Earthquakes Steamers America-USA Won't that just make the league look professional and attractive? Please, MLS nip this disease in the bud. Demand that the Chivas call themselves the Goats. Or Rams. Or Capricorns. ANYTHING, as long as it doesn't have a damn '-USA- on the flipping end of it. Guess I should've put a <RANT> tag around that.
I agree, this -USA crap just doesn't fly with me. I'm all for investores from abroad getting in to MLS but the should stick with our naming system. City - nickname, that's the precedent set, that's the way it should remain. I can visualize a lot of foreign investors coming in and having a 32 to 36 team MLS with relegation in another 15 to 20 years while becoming as great as the UEFA champions league. There will need to be a Euro super league to compete.
Re: Re: The mexican clubs to MLS flood gates open no, no rant at all. its what many are thinking i am sure.... well what i have been thinking for a long time but never bothered to type it. i somewhat take it for granted i guess that i think its a given that theres no way a team should be called 'mexican team'-USA.
The "-USA" thing is interesting. I agree that if there are multiple Mexican investors this will be a huge problem. However, I think one Chivas-USA team is not too bad. But if we get into the table situation listed above, it will be awful. I hope Don G. is reading this.
Re: Re: The mexican clubs to MLS flood gates open And it's not just the Mexicans. Anybdy remember Real Madrid in Miami and Ajax in Orlando? There might have been a couple others that said they wanted to bring their old players over to teach us a thing or two. It's all just talk until they take the wallet out of their pants and start counting out the bills.
I don't understand the animosity about this. The point about names reflecting the city is well taken (so would CHivas-San Diego work?) Honestly, is it because it is Mexico? WOuld people be upset if Arse Wenger announced the formation of Arsenal America? I'm not being sarcastic--I really don't get why people are worked up.
how about the Newark Portuguese, the New York Ukraines, Philadelphia Ukraines, Paterson Roma, Brookyln Italians, Kearny Scots?
I just don't think people want to see a lot of teams with "-USA" at the end. I am all for foreign investors if they want to see a good MLS league created. I just don't think -USA is a good way to start naming all the teams. I don't want to see Real Madrid - USA and Chelsea - USA and Arsenal - USA. They should think of cool names that have something to do with original team, like New York Arsenal, or Houston de Madrid or something. Silly examples.
Bonji I agree. At least put the name of the city and monicker. The -USA ending really has to end BEFORE it starts. I don't mind Chivas coming and even others from Europe and Latin America. By all means ... we might have another solution ... the melting pot league for the melting pot nation. BUT, try San Diego Chivas, etc. Look at what happened in Australia, ethnic-only based clubs do NOT work. There has to be locality/geographically based fan support irregardless of ethnic makeup, otherwise the team and league will have NO legs to stand on in the future, when demographics change. Or risk alienating the majority like what happened in Australia ... to their ultimate total failure. <<SEE AUSTRALIA>> http://www.australiansoccer.com.au/public/article/show.asp?articleid=7015
Re: Re: Re: The mexican clubs to MLS flood gates open I think he did a fine job with the order for the table!
as some people are already saying- the reason i don't want chivas-usa, or arsenal-usa, or whatever is b/c it seems like they aren't trying to create something new here, they are just matter-of-factly putting together a farm/minor league team here to train their players for the real team in the home based country. chivas usa will alienate non mexican soccer fans from whatever city they play in. all i can say is that i am not mexican, and if chivas-usa play in my city, i'd have a hard time supporting them. wouldn't all the non-mex fans feel the same way? that would go for the same for real-usa and non spanish fans, ajax-usa and non dutch fans, etc. that being said, and like Bonji said, if they want to own a team, make it something like SD Goats (stupid in the translation), NY Red Devil (man u), Clev Gunners (arsenal), etc.
Ok, here's my rant on this whole bull *#*#*#*# Chivas USA deal: I totally agree with what VioletCrown had to say, his mock-table was humorous, but at the same time was also a harrowing indication of what may come to pass. I have NO problem with foreign investors coming into this league (i.e. that Russian guy with Chelski). But the MAJOR problem I have with this Vergera/Chivas USA thing is that what he is doing is TOTALLY different to what happened with Chelsea. With Chelski, the Russian guy just brought his billions to them and spent it to make the team better. There was no Chelsea-Moscow thing going on like we're seeing with Chivas USA. With what Vergera is trying to do, he is bringing his money, yes, but also is bringing the idea to create a Mexican (or Mexican-American) dominated team, which is quite different than the Chelsea situation. While it is a good idea to let foreign billionaires bring their money to MLS - which brings a lot of credibility to our leage - it is a HORRIBLE idea to have this "new" Chivas team basically be an outsourced, American version of the real Chivas de Guadalejara. Bad bad bad bad bad. I am enthusiastic about expansion in places like Rochester, Cleveland, Oklahoma City, San Diego, Seattle and Houston. These are all viable markets which could have fruitful MLS franchises. However, I am extremely unenthusiastic about Chivas/San Diego or Club America/Houston or Arsenal/Cleveland etc... And it's not just because this is a Mexican club we're talking about. I don't want any club/country (whether it be Mexican, English, Dutch or Spanish) to create what would basically be a minor-league or feeder team for their premier side. It's just not good for American soccer. Don Garber, do NOT let Vergera weasel his way into this. Make him adhere to the rules set forth by MLS. The other owners such as Hunt, Phil and Kraft clearly realize the need for new owners and new money, but please do not do it at the expense of this league's national and international integrity. I'd much rather see an American owned team in Houston than a Mexican/Spanish/English/whatever team in Houston (or Cleveland, etc. for that matter). Call me ethnocentric, but if that's what it takes for the betterment of MLS (and not becoming a place for outsourcing) then this is what we should do. Ok the rant is done....whew!
Yesterday (12/28) when that article Bonji mentioned appeared in Esto was El Dia de los Santos Inocentes in Latin America which basically is like April Fools Day. Looks like you all got taken in. Pachuca is not interested in coming to the US.
True, but normally the jokes at 12/28 are really doubtful news, like Pachuca buying Arsenal or something like it. I doubt than anyone in Mexico would be surprised by this kind of news, and the goal of jokes is to surprise... isn't it?
Ah. I see. It's so hard to know everything about the world. Still, my opinion stands. I do NOT want to see the team named Chivas-USA. And just to be clear, I'm in with everyone else that is perfectly fine with international investment in the US. I'm actually fine with San Diego Chivas. There's more than enough history in worldwide soccer of teams in other countries named after teams elsewhere. Sadly, at the moment I can't come up with any, but I know there's quite a few in South America, and I know of a couple in Malta. And I'm not just picking on Mexico here. I'd be just as disgusted by an Ajax-USA. Fortunately, as far as I can tell, it's Orlando Ajax, or Ajax Orlando. Not sure exactly which. Either is cool with me.
Re: Re: Re: The mexican clubs to MLS flood gates open My favorite part of the table is no DC United. They must've gotten relegated.
JAJAJAJAJAJA Damn you Martin Cutler.......Why did you ruin the fun for me. To the guy that posted this originally, wasn't it obvious when the other two lead stories where about Chivas purging their team and bringing up their 2nd division team and Johann Cruyff going to coach Puebla? Johann Cruyff who has a management/advisor position at Barca!!!!!!!! Classic
i am not dutch but i will have no problem rooting for ajax orlando and i'll wager not many here will have problems with it either (except those who choose to hate soccer in the first place) nor do i think there is a problem with teams in one city being specifically for a single group of people. thats what soccer is all about. and before one of you enlightened trolls crawls out from the dank recesses of your cubicle to post a reply along the lines "but they thats unamerican" let me cut you off by saying no.. no its quite american. case in point: the jets and the giants. the yankees and the mets. The Cubs and The White Sox for christs sake! Each of those chicago team has a very DISTINCT demographic from a specific part of town. So if by chance Chivas SanDiego upsets you then find another team to support... i'm sure there is another team from the PDL to the A-league to MLS in that area. In fact i'll go so far as to say the more teams associated with groups and areas the better... Brooklyn Italians U.S. Open Cup champs 4 evar!
Re: Re: The mexican clubs to MLS flood gates open Looking at this table is better than having sex. Well, almost...
Re: Re: Re: Re: The mexican clubs to MLS flood gates open Oh, my god. I can't believe I did that! I was so focussed on trying to come up with Mexican league teams. Inadvertent hilarity. Sorry United fans. (Then again maybe you're right. While I know relegation will never happen, I do secretly wish for it.)
Re: Re: Re: Re: The mexican clubs to MLS flood gates open And yet still no NY Cosmos...or is it Cosmos USA? Fer sure - just for starters, there's a Liverpool in Uruguay, Everton and Rangers in Chile, Wanderers in Santiago and Montevideo, an Arsenal in Argentina, and, of course, Corinthians was named after a touring English club. And then there are the clubs named after or historically associated with specific immigrant communities - e.g., Portuguesa in Sao Paulo, Portuguesa Santista in Santos, Palmeiras in Sao Paulo and Cruzeiro in Belo Horizonte were formerly each known as Palestra Italia, etc. And obviously not South American, but IIRC, the former CSKA Kiev is now Arsenal Kiev.