The "Messi: the best player in the world. Is it even up for discussion?" thread

Discussion in 'Barcelona' started by jfcule, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I know Lautaro has been good for Argentina in Scaloni era but he deserve a good seat in the crowd area for the rest of tournament after that miss.
     
  2. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I believe he has equalled Diego overall direct contribution? 8 goals + 8 assists, Messi has 9 goals + 7 assists?

    Its weird cause some articles has him at 2 assists in 2010, some has it 1 assist. Although he did actually had 2 direct assists, Korea own goal & Tevez goal.
     
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  3. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    I think the own goal doesn't count as an Opta assist. Messi's official tally is 9 goals and 6 assists in WC matches.
     
  4. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Messi has 9 assists with "wide" rules and 6 with "strict" rules. "Wide" assists being the three in WC10:

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  5. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Mercado flicking his shot counted as assist yet S Korea own goal didnt ? Maradona third assist against Korea in 1986 also took very slight deflection and its counted.
     
  6. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    There's really no official assists, because it hasn't been defined from the start. For example Fifa used "wide" assists back in the day, that's why in their list Pele and Maradona have more assists than Messi. Makes no sense really, and that's why they differ in places. I think "wide" rules is easily the better indication of goal contribution, and strict is better indication of passing quality. Football should start counting pre-assists too like they do in ice-hockey. For example with this Maradona has 8+8+2 and Messi 9+9+4 in WC.
     
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  7. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Messi now has 14 goals + 4 assists in 11 games in 2022 for Argentina.
     
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  8. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    His best stats before this was a decade ago where he equalled Batistuta 12 goals record. Its crazy he beat his own record at 35 years old.
     
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  9. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    14+4 v 12+1, equal even without the eurostatpad game.
     
  10. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    If Messi care about statspedding, he wouldnt make so many passes for Higuain, Aguero, Palacio or even Lautaro in this tournament.
     
  11. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Thats the problem with fifa. During 2006 WC, there's one article from them that has Roman with 4 assists Totti with 3 , in other articles written by another guy, also from fifa website, its the reverse between Totti & Roman. Its confusing.

    Using wide rules, Roman had 4 assists, 3 directs plus one for Tevez where Tevez still has to beat 2 defenders . Higuain backheel to Messi in 2014 counted as an assist even though Messi still has to beat multiple defenders.
     
  12. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Opta assist v wide assist. Pick your poison. :D

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  13. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    They are the right plays to make though. The passes to Lautaro Messi didn't really have a clear shot. He could have taken the shot but most likely it's blocked ... or maybe it goes in between some legs. Or he takes yet another dribble which at his age, it's not guarantee that he will get free.
     
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  14. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

    Jul 20, 2006
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I love a good infographic, Messi's first 1,000 games:
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  15. Barc@4ever

    Barc@4ever Member

    Barcelona
    Jul 21, 2020
     
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  16. unclesox

    unclesox BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 8, 2003
    209, California
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Heeee's... lemme see... uh... THERE! There he is!
     
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  17. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Even better that one of the Australian player was taunting him during before the throw in. The goal happened like a minute later.

    Australia has goofiest looking squad in the tournament. Its like seeing 11 Peter Crouch in one team.
     
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  18. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    A younger Messi would shot it when he entered the box.
     
  19. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Just wow. There is still one missing puzzle. And how long until we can see the third generation?
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  20. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    To me personally an assist off the post should count. It's accidental but many assists that don't hit the post are accidental too. If the ball goes off the goalkeeper and scored by a teammate or it passes to an opponent (own goal) then it's not an assist IMO.
     
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  21. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Messi officially surpassed Maradona direct goals contribution. 10 goals + 7 assists. He also has bettered his WC 2014 stats. Currently with 4 goals + 2 assists.
     
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  22. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
  23. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
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  24. Gilmango

    Gilmango Member+

    Jul 20, 2006
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    10th World Cup goal and assist, 10+10 in 24 games now.

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