The "Messi: the best player in the world. Is it even up for discussion?" thread

Discussion in 'Barcelona' started by jfcule, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. JoCryuff98

    JoCryuff98 Member+

    Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Messi was already an elite and one of the greatest playmaker of all time since 2008-09 season imo. I don’t understand why people say he became a better playmaker when he grew older. Dribbling and passing ability are two aspects of the game that are innate in players which cannot be improved with practice after certain age imo. Messi was also displaying this elite tier playmaking even when prior his 20s.
     
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  2. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    True. One interesting stat: Messi completed 23 through ball out of 38 through ball attempted in 2008/09 season. Crazy.
     
  3. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    He was quite average vs Portugal. Henry dived so he could score a PK. He was great vs Brazil and good vs Spain though Vierra, Ribery, Thuram all were better.
     
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  4. JoCryuff98

    JoCryuff98 Member+

    Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I really don’t know what is Messi’s best season. 2011-12 is usually considered the best, but I don’t know. I would prefer to say that 2008-12 Messi is basically like a combination of Maradona’s ability, Pele’s prolific goalscoring prowess and Cruijff’s IQ.
     
  5. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    2014-15 is my favourite. 58 goals in all comps, 53 non pen goals.
     
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  6. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    1365325514995625991 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  7. JoCryuff98

    JoCryuff98 Member+

    Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Man Utd have always been Messi’s bitch
     
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  8. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...xclusive-interview-facing-lionel-messi-conor/
     
  9. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    They basically beat Barca in 2008 merely from a shot that was deflected by Zambrotta into his own net.
     
  10. OllyAlex

    OllyAlex Member

    Mar 2, 2021
    How many goals ( in total) is he behind CR07 currently ??

    Does anyone know ?
     
  11. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    16
     
  12. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    If you look at official senior level First team goals, he is 37 goals behind, having played 145 games less.

    CR7 has 767 goals in 1050 games.
    Messi has 729 goals in 905 games.

    The top 4 in official Senior Level, First team goals is

    CR7 - 767
    Pele - 757
    Messi - 729
    Romario - 728
     
  13. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Well CR is 2 1/2 years older with almost 150 more matches . His scoring ratio is nowhere near Messi.
     
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  14. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Messi vs Sevilla: 11 dribbles attempt, 11 dribbles completed.
     
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  15. OllyAlex

    OllyAlex Member

    Mar 2, 2021
    Looking fairly good for Leo .
     
  16. OllyAlex

    OllyAlex Member

    Mar 2, 2021
    Sadly CR07 could well be playing after Leo retires . He’s super fit and super motivated.
     
  17. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He'll be like Zlatan - enough talent to still play but not in midfield.
     
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  18. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
    I think CR7 is 100% aware that he is the leader in all-time goals, and will try to retire after Messi to make sure he has the all-time goals record.
     
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  19. JoCryuff98

    JoCryuff98 Member+

    Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
  20. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Not sure how far Messi is behind CR7 on all-time goals, but I suspect a couple of seasons for Messi in MLS would probably put Messi on top for good. :D
     
  21. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Great game by Leo though missed a PK.
     
  22. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That's 29 yard screamer. With next game Messi equals Xavi's club record for most caps.

    [​IMG]
     
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  23. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    If this is Messi last UCL game for Barca, it is quite memorable game.
     
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  24. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    If that's the case: 4 titles, 149 games, 120 goals, 45 assists, 12 yellows, 12364 min.
     
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  25. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Probably top 3 Messi's power hits.

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    Also the second furthest goal after Paraguay free kick I think.
    [​IMG]
     
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