The "Messi: the best player in the world. Is it even up for discussion?" thread

Discussion in 'Barcelona' started by jfcule, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Even then how is Neymar higher than Modric??? Most of Modric highlight are with Madrid and Croatia post 2010s.
     
  2. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Modric suddenly getting the hype due becoming WC finalist while being Real Madrid player. Nothing to see there.
     
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  3. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Most but certainly not all. For me 2008 with Croatia and his early days with Spurs were a significant chunk of Modric’ achievements. Take away that chunk of his career and its below Neymar’s full career imo.

    Also, Neuer best goalkeeper hands down for the majority of the decade so makes sense he is easily in the top 10.
     
  4. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    What has Neymar achieved in his career to put him above Modric??? Not even mention it is Modric who ended Messi - Ronaldo ballon d'or reign.
     
  5. DutchFanatic

    DutchFanatic Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Dec 23, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Exactly. Robben + Sneijder did the same in WC2010 taking the NL to the finals (much closer than Croatia vs France) while also leading Bayern and Inter Milan to the champions league final and the domesticate double (treble + CL for Inter Milan). Robben then also lead Bayern to the CL final win a few years later and a 3rd place finish for the Netherlands in WC2014. In my opinion he 100% should be on that list above Lewandowski, Zlatan, Buffon and even Modric. Modric in 2018 was basically like Sneijder in 2010 but he didn't get robbed on the WPOTY.
     
  6. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    The difference between Modric and Snejider is Modric in 2018 didn't have a competitor as good as 2010 Messi. Put Snejider in 2018 and he probably wins it as well. However the Croatia being a tiny nation helped the narrative as well.
     
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  7. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Modric also is RM player and just after Ronaldo left.
     
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  8. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
  9. prodigal_mind

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    Cristiano Ronaldo
    Portugal
    Jul 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
  10. bronx_bull

    bronx_bull Member

    Sep 23, 2004
    Sneijder wasn't half the player Modric is.
     
  11. bronx_bull

    bronx_bull Member

    Sep 23, 2004
    Neymar is the 2nd best player in the world after Messi.
     
  12. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Barely.
     
  13. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Small country, small people, small mind. You are just like that. ******** off.
     
  14. bronx_bull

    bronx_bull Member

    Sep 23, 2004
    . You can never hurt us like how Barto did.i pity small brains like you.
     
  15. bronx_bull

    bronx_bull Member

    Sep 23, 2004
    On talent, that's how he is.
     
  16. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    Talent wise, probably. But that is not enough.
     
  17. DutchFanatic

    DutchFanatic Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Dec 23, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Well I certainly agree that Modric is the better player overall and has had the better career. But I will say that the year that Modric won the WPOTY was not more impressive than 2010 Sneijder when he was snubbed (not even top-3) despite being the favorite to win. In my opinion Sneijder being snubbed that year was one of the catalysts for Modric being award the WPOTY that year, so in my opinion Modric is slightly overrated (not to say he's not great). And Robben was definitely a better player than Modric so if Modric is on that Robben should be on it 100%.
     
  18. JoCryuff98

    JoCryuff98 Member+

    Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Sneijder was a great talent though. If only he was a bit more serious. It’s just that Modric worked harder and was more ambitious.
     
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  19. DutchFanatic

    DutchFanatic Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Dec 23, 2013
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Agreed, he was a huge talent and in 2010 he was legitimately one of the best players in the world. His level that year was higher than Modric has ever reached. Unfortunately he liked to party and never took it very seriously. Still I believe Sneijder 2010 was greater than any season Modric did individually. I agree with Modric being considered over all the better player because of his longevity.
     
  20. JoCryuff98

    JoCryuff98 Member+

    Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Sneijder’s World Cup performance was way better than Modric’s tbh.
     
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  21. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Agreed. For me Modric is the 3rd worst World Cup Golden Ball-performance

    Modric WC18

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    2 goals from 2 great scoring chances
    9 great scoring chances created
    15 players beaten by dribble (OPTA)
    11
    tackles (OPTA)

    Goals (Scored + Assisted + Involved)
    6 (2 (1p) + 1 + 3) out of 14 team goals = 43% importance (+ 2 SO Goals)

    Goals Scored

    Nigeria 1
    Argentina 1

    Great Scoring Chances Missed

    Denmark 1
    Russia 1

    Great Chances Created

    Nigeria 1
    Argentina 1
    Denmark 1
    Denmark 2
    Russia 1
    Russia 2
    Denmark 3
    England 1
    France 1

    For a Golden Ball performance Modric WC18 isn't good, for me it's the third worst performance. It's pretty equal to Charlton 66, maybe slightly better. Both were involved the same amount of team goals 45% vs 43%, both advanced the play same by dribbling 15 players, and although Modric created more chances, Charlton tackled more and were better round by round in four games to three.

    This again gives additional perspective how good Messi WC14 performance really was, and how football journalist work for creating exaggerated headlines (mostly fake) to drive traffic to their sites, and how this then usually gets instilled on football fans memory. Messi scored twice the goals, was involved almost all the team goals 88% to 43%, created twice the great chances, was round by round better in 6 games, advanced the game by dribbling three times more and even had the same amount of tackles. Croatia even conceded two goals directly because Modric failed tackle on his man. Whole deluded football world shat on Messi WC14, and didn't bat an eye for Modric's WC18 Golden Ball, and that alone shows why football today is fake on media level.

    World Cup performance index, considering statistics, the best (and worst) plays, importance and relation of quality of opposition and own team. Color highlighted as golden, silver, bronze ball, or not in Top 3.

    1.
    Maradona 86
    Messi 14

    3.
    Kempes 78
    4.
    Jairzinho 70

    5.
    Robben 14
    Cruyff 74
    7.
    Forlan 10
    8.
    Romario 94
    9.
    Eusebio 66
    Pele 70
    Rossi 82

    12.
    G.Müller 70
    Schillaci 90
    Suker 98
    15.
    Ronaldo 02
    Charlton 66
    Modric 18

    18.
    Ronaldo 98
    19.
    Zidane 06
     
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  22. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    On 4th longest Liga scoring streak:

    21 games 12-13 (33 goals)
    10 games 11-12 (18 goals)
    8 games 18-19 (12 goals)
    7 games 20-21 (11 goals)

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  23. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The most undeserving golden ball would be Zidane in 2006. France failed to win their first 2 games and Zidane contribution on those 2 games was 2 yellow cards. He was suspended for third game (must win) and they did it WITHOUT Zidane.

    Zidane then put great performance in next 3 games but got RED in the final. 2 yellows + 1 red + sitting on the bench in a must win game = golden ball? He scored 3 goals and 2 of them were from the spot.

    In comparison, Messi directly involved in 7 out of Argentina 8 goals in 2014 , scored his penalty aswell but somehow these idiots has to questioned his golden ball:laugh:
     
  24. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    To be honest, I'd kinda feel bad for Suarez if Messi win the Pichichi again. Messi era must be feels like an eternity for another players .
     
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  25. SF19

    SF19 Member+

    Jun 8, 2013
    ^ It goes to show how important he remains to the team. What will Barcelona do without him?
     

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