The "Messi: the best player in the world. Is it even up for discussion?" thread

Discussion in 'Barcelona' started by jfcule, Mar 22, 2012.

  1. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Well, in a way I hope he is injured. If he's not injured, then he's lost more than half a step of pace. He looked to be well in the clear on that play just after LPB took a 1-nil lead, and then Marcelo took the ball right off him (who himself isn't as fast as he used to be).
     
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  2. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    I hear you but I don't think he's lost a step. He was fast against Eibar. I think it's a combination of defenses focusing ever more on him as well as not having rhythm. He would go for stretches of 10+ minutes without touching the ball or least barely having space to make any kind of play. One more piece of evidence for my theory is that even his passing in many recent games seems off. He didn't even come close to making an assist yesterday from what I can recall and that's unusual for Messi.

    Even when Messi doesn't score his playmaking is world class but we haven't seen that the last two matches.
     
  3. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I keep hearing how amazing Marcelo was for that play but ...

    1 - It's no secret Messi has lost some speed. I mean ... duh ...
    2 - Messi's touch is what really screwed that play ... it's right into Marcelo's path. Normally Messi is putting that touch on his left foot for a shot. What happened IMO is that he saw Varane coming from the left and that screwed him up. When he is running you can see him giving a quick glance to his left. Probably screwed up his touch.
     
  4. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    I dunno. He might have made that touch on purpose to cut in front of Marcelo, thus taking him & Varane out of the play completely. Just didn't have the pace to pull it off.

    But yeah... judging a player's pace based on one play can lead to flawed conclusions.
     
  5. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Could be ... then he severely miscalculated that. Was the wrong move. Just find it strange he would pull it to his right leg instead of away to his left.
     
  6. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    It went from "He's finished. He can't score goals anymore" to "Wow! Poker! He's GOAT. It's over." to "Dude is washed up. Hasn't scored in five Clasicos." all in a span of 9 days. Will people calm the ******** down? He's not in his peak form but he isn't washed up either. How about somewhere in the middle where he isn't playing at a GOAT level but is still the best footballer in the world. Just an idea.
     
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  7. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
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    FC Barcelona
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    Argentina
  8. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

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    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
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    FC Barcelona
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    Argentina

    When you're Messi, scoring for 5-6 consecutive games is a must, otherwise its considered as bad form.

    Messi led the scoring chart by 5 goals , led the assist chart by same margin, that's a career highlight for everyone else career, but average season for Messi.
     
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  9. ShortyMac

    ShortyMac Member+

    Barcelona
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    Ohio, USA
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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  10. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
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    Argentina
    Lionel Messi has become the all-time top-scorer in the top five European leagues, 438 goals in 474 appearances.
     
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  11. Ozora

    Ozora Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Aug 5, 2014
    Club:
    Chelsea LFC
    He really misses Suarez.
     
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  12. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
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    FC Barcelona
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    Argentina
    So both (Lewandowski and Cronaldo) scoring streaks this seasons ended in 11 games, 16 goals.

    Longest League Scoring Streaks


    21 games 33 goals Lionel Messi Spanish League 12-13

    16 games 22 goals Teodor Peterek Polish League 37-38 (previous record)

    15 games 22 goals Juan Pedro Young Uruguayn League 1933
    15 games 21 goals Jaime Riveros Chilean League 2004 (previous modern record)
    15 games 21 goals Tor Henning Hamre Estonian League 2003

    13 games 18 goals Peter Dubocsky Czechoslovak League 91-92
    13 games 22 goals Tom Philipson English League 26-27 (previous top league record)

    12 games 23 goals Valeriano Lopez Colombian League 1949
    12 games 17 goals Hamza Idriss Falatah Saudi Arabian League 98-00

    11 games 23 goals Ara Hakobian Armenian League 2003
    11 games 20 goals Fernando Morena Uruguayn League 1974
    11 games 20 goals Jose Saturnino Cardozo Mexican League 2002
    11 games 20 goals Cristiano Ronaldo Spanish League 14-15
    11 games 16 goals Robert Lewandowski German League 19-20
    11 games 16 goals Cristiano Ronaldo Italian League 19-20
    11 games 13 goals Gabriel Batistuta Italian League 94-95
    11 games 13 goals Jamie Vardy English League 15-16
    11 games 11 goals Ole Stavrum Norwegian League 66-67

    10 games 23 goals Marco Negri Scottish League 97-98
    10 games 19 goals Mariano Martin Spanish League 42-44
    10 games 19 goals Mario Jardel Portuguese League 99-00
    10 games 18 goals Lionel Messi Spanish League 11-12 (previous modern top league record)
    ...
     
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  13. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Have you got an up to date comparison of total goals scored by Messi and Cronaldo ??
     
  14. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
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    FC Barcelona
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    Argentina
    708 Messi
    725 Cronaldo
     
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  15. celito

    celito Moderator
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    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
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    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
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    Brazil
    Hate to pick on you, but how many has this been asked ? Links have been posted with very detailed stats. And there is also wikipedia.
     
  16. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
    Thank you !!
     
  17. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007
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    Sometimes miss this Messi.
     
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  18. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Too bad Pekerman benched him the whole game in 2006 QF. That team was the best Argentina team Messi ever played with.
     
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  19. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
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    FC Barcelona
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    Argentina
    Yeah that was the time, before double+ markings.
     
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  20. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
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    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    Pekerman wen it counted made counter-productive decisions

    Taking out Riquelme vs Germany

    Being overly cautious vs England with Colombia
     
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  21. Rattlehead

    Rattlehead Member+

    Barcelona, Inter Milan
    Argentina
    Jun 21, 2010
    Jakarta
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Yea, he also took out Crespo for Cruz (who rarely played in NT) while there's Saviola, Messi and Aimar who just sit there the whole game for nothing.

    Prior to 2006 WC, Argentina lost in friendlies to England and Croatia, they were ahead 2-1 and then Pekerman took out Roman early , Argentina then fell 2-3. He never learned. Cowardish act.
     
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  22. afar

    afar Member+

    Apr 26, 2007


    One of the best Messi videos ever done — watch with volume.
     
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  23. ShortyMac

    ShortyMac Member+

    Barcelona
    Apr 10, 2011
    Ohio, USA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
  24. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    Messi apparently has a small knock on his quadriceps but should be back to full training in a few days. Really hope he's fit for this brutal stretch. Without him at his best, the La Liga dream is over. Suarez being back should add some extra firepower for Setien.
     
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  25. hala_madrid722

    hala_madrid722 Member+

    Jan 10, 2013
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Ronaldo better
     
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