The man wanted in an Orange suit, the search for our next soccer saviour

Discussion in 'The Netherlands' started by BaritoPutra, Apr 16, 2017.

  1. Oh my goodness. I think I can earn me a doctors title in and Psychology, and Psychiatry and Behavioral Economics with research in the management of the KNVB and the people acting in that organization in the last decade.
     
  2. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member+

    Apr 5, 2005
    We need some football consultants/advisors in KNVB; unfortunately Van Breukelen is not. We need a team, like 3-6 of Van Hanegem, Jansen, Krol, Neeskens, Rijkaard, Gullit, Wouters, Erwin Koeman, Frank De Boer, Seerdorf, Davids....that can guide KNVB in its decisions and KNVB needs to listen (perhaps they only hear, but not listen).
     
  3. Rinus127

    Rinus127 Member

    Sep 8, 2015
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Another dinosaur after Hiddink failure. Dutch football moving in wrong direction.
     
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  4. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I'm not a big fan of Advocaat either, but I look at him as a temporary coach until the next WC2010 generation arrives
     
  5. Sian

    Sian Member

    Dec 4, 2011
    'safe' uninspired choice that won't manage to turn the boat around (even if he might, if you're optimistic, slow the decay) ... classic Premier League/championship choice :p
     
  6. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member+

    Apr 5, 2005
    I have a feeling that Advocaat's reign will be short. He will step down and Gullit will take over. Not sure if this is a good thing or bad thing as I feel a lot of uncertainties ahead.
     
  7. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Why Gullit as Assistant?
    Thought he hates Advocaat after quitting 94 Oranje?
    Just ridiculous decisions.
     
  8. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member+

    Apr 5, 2005
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  9. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Yeah I remember all too well that press conference. How disappointing and uncomfortable.
    Gullit basically decided against playing because of Advocaat' s planned tactics which Gullit thought was suicidal in the heat of the U.S.
     
  10. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    And how Gullit has to be regretting not playing in any case considering he was in tremendous form.
    World Class player only 1 World Cup. Terrible shame.
    Same for the crippled Van Basten.
    Oh the pain.
     
  11. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Which we all knew was a bullshit excuse.

    Brazil is a lot hotter, and we made the semi's
     
  12. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member+

    Apr 5, 2005
    ^^^ That's why they had water break in Brazil (wasn't it the first time in WC?). The heat was also factor to us in Mexico game. I got to side with Gullit in 94 as it was WC with the least memorable games (Brazil vs Netherlands, Romania vs Argentine, Bulgaria vs Germany and perhaps Romania vs Sweden) as many teams did not prepare well to deal with the heat.
    I don't like Advocaat but considering this a bandage solution considering the circumstances let's see what he can do.
     
  13. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    ^^^The weather at a number of the US cities where 94 WC games were held was really bad. Brazil were lucky to have played all there group matches at Stanford in California where the conditions were probably the best of all the sites. Dutch were here in Washington (I was at that match against Saudi Arabia) and twice in Orlando Florida where one should only go to Disney World during the summer. They stayed in Orland for the first knockout round and then had to fly to Dallas to face Brazil whose knockout match was in California. I think this had an impact on that match. Also, IIRC the flight to Dallas encountered bad weather and that's when Bergkamp decided he didn't like flying.
     
  14. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I was at the Cotton Bowl for our 3-2 loss against Brazil (I hate you Branco).
    The weather was hot, but not THAT hot. It was also partly cloudy IIRC so I dont think it was a huge factor like Gullit claims.

    Also I dont think any of our matches in WC2014 had water breaks.
    Or do I have that wrong??
     
  15. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member+

    Apr 5, 2005
    As Orange14 said, those Florida matches were brutal and may contribute fitness factor to our squad although it is not the only factor. The Spain game in 2014 was at night so it was not so bad. I don't recall how temperature was for Chile and Autralia matches, but I remembered the Mexico match was brutal for us and it was probably the first official match to have water breaks (2) (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ces-world-cup-organizers-to-give-water-breaks).

    I'm not sure how reliable but football-oranje reported that the players were surprised (http://www.football-oranje.com/netherlands-players-surprised-advocaat-appointment/) as the walk-out is still fresh in their memories. Hopefully they can put it aside and focus.
     
  16. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    I remember when me and my GF at the time showed up at the Cotton Bowl, we thought it might rain so we brought our umbrellas. We show our tickets and a menacing looking cop grabs both our umbrellas and says you cant come in here with these. I ask why, his answer: "BECAUSE SOCCER FANS ARE CRAZY!!!"

    I still laugh to this day about that one :ROFLMAO:
     
  17. Neeskens78

    Neeskens78 New Member

    Oct 4, 2016
    Holy crap - you were there?

    Another killer result for us. Fantastic come back from 0-2 down only to lose to that bloody free kick from Branco. '94 was a pretty average world cup for us actually, very much a team in transition with players past their best and a few new ones not really good enough- just think of the team we had out in '94 and then look at the one we had in '98.....'98 team is one of our great teams......streets ahead of the '94 one.
     
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  18. richsavare

    richsavare Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Jan 28, 2003
    New Jersey
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    And of course thanks to terrible referees Oranje get hosed in both 94 and 98.
     
  19. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member+

    Apr 5, 2005
    ^^^ Also in 74 (Vogts should have been red carded many times in the final), 78 (Argentine-Peru 6-0) and 10 (Robben fouled on his 2nd chance)...
     
  20. Frysk Bloed

    Frysk Bloed Member

    Sep 6, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
  21. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    We need a nice 6-0 score against Lux next week, and Sweden needs to lose by a goal or two, and then we still might have a chance
     
  22. bunbohue

    bunbohue Member+

    Apr 5, 2005
    ^^^ Win the last 5 games and control our own destiny. Love to see the positive energy/running that some of new faces (Ake, Vilhena, Toornstra) or the positive plays of up front (Memphis, Promes, Janssen). Veltman reminded me of BMI, kept making mistakes. He needs to be dropped for a while until he clears his head (perhaps mentality issue). Let's take care of Luxembourg and build up confidence.
     
  23. Foppe for assistent bondscoach and we will not only qualify, but win it with still 45 minutes to go:D
     
  24. Brilliant Dutch

    Brilliant Dutch Member+

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Oct 14, 2013
    Amsterdam, Holland
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Our women know how to FINISH the job!!!
     
  25. It takes a woman to do a man's job;)
     
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