The Lefts' Inablilty to Deal With an Opposing Viewpoint

mannyfreshstunna · Apr 7, 2003

On my dorm room door, i have some lovely posters from protest warrior.com. I put them up becuase i am tired of seeing one viewpoint on campus. Further more, the "peace" protests are getting more vicious in their verbal attacks. They also recently staged a "die in" over by DuSable hall,blocking all pedestrian traffic.

So seeing as how this is a democracy, i figured i'd put some stuff on my door that showed i wasn't either an anti war demonstrator, nor an apathetic college student. No problem right? Wrong. I had them up for about three days when i came back from class to find they had been written on to change their message.

Slightly perturbed, i printed the same ones out and put them back up, along with a sign saying "God Bless the troops in the Gulf." Those batch of signs lasted 2 days before they were ripped down, including, much to my dismay, the one blessing the troops.

I could understand one being opposed to this war, but to rip to shreds a sign asking for the protection of the troops absolutely boiled my blood.
Now both times this desecration of democracy took place while i was at class. However, not but ten minutes ago, i was sitting here minding my own business playing some strategy games, when from the door i hear the sound of duct tape and paper being ripped from my door.

I rush over and whip it open yelling what the ************ do you think you're doing? "Confronting" me were a group of 3 or 4 kids i had never seen before. All they could say to my shouts were "pro war man, it's no good." Then a girlfriend of one of them apologized for their actions, but i still am angry. I have seen other people in other dorms post stuff on their doors that was anti war.

i didn't agree with it at all, but i never thought about ripping it down. Why does it seem like the left can't tolerate a different opinion? And what do they have agianst the troops? I need some answers, because i am still fuming. Three times they have attempted to stifle my voice, yet i will not stop supporting this my way.

TheWakeUpBomb · Apr 7, 2003

When do you get to the part where you beat the shit out of them?

Jacen McCullough · Apr 7, 2003

Just because some twit at your school ripped some posters down doesn't mean the left can't deal with an opposing viewpoint. Some nitwit at your school can't deal with an opposing viewpoint. As to the ripping down of your posters, while it's not a nice thing to have done to you, quit being a victim. People vandalize stuff put on doors/bulletin boards etc in a college dorm. It's not JUST your door (I'd bet money on that, and if you think that people with anti-war posters aren't having their stuff messed with too, you aren't looking). It's an unfortunate fact of dorm life that if it aint locked up, it's fair game.

Matt Clark · Apr 7, 2003

Shouldn't you be in the pub anyway?

Bloody students ...

Wolfie · Apr 7, 2003

What is it about Students and touchy feely liberalism ? I guess it is their way of rebelling agaisnt soemthing, seeing as most students towed the line right through their school years. Thats not being rebellious though. It's being a plank.

SJFC4ever · Apr 7, 2003

Ripping down someone's posters (regardless of what they say) is hardly "touchy feely liberalism". That's being an idiot.

Matt Clark · Apr 7, 2003

Yeah, but getting all chinless about it is a waste of other people's time and money too. I dunno ... Students ain't like they used to be.

Wolfie · Apr 7, 2003

Most of them grow out of it when they enter the real World. The rest just grow funny Ginger beards and go to live on a wind farm in the Mull of Kintyre.

obie · Apr 7, 2003

Dear Manny:

We agree. People shouldn't try to force their opinions down your throats.

Sincerely,
Santa Fe High School, TX

bostonsoccermdl · Apr 7, 2003

Originally posted by Wolfie
What is it about Students and touchy feely liberalism ? I guess it is their way of rebelling agaisnt soemthing, seeing as most students towed the line right through their school years. Thats not being rebellious though. It's being a plank.
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Its a college thing. They think they have all the answers at this age and have the world by the balls. When they graduate, get a job in the real world, have to report to a boss, and quickly ditch the idealistic attitude and start getting more practical in their views..

Wolfie · Apr 7, 2003

"Peace protesters" kind of an oxymoron when you think of it. Also, why do I see so many riot Police at these gatherings ? Another one to mull over, does anyone find it funny when you have Radical Muslims marching alongside these left wing Feminists. I reckon the irony is lost on the lot of them.

DJPoopypants · Apr 7, 2003

Manny - yes, they were idiots - nobody here is gonna rush to defend them.

But please remember how you felt the next time you see that female basketball player who wouldn't face the flag, and people's reaction to her (some vet spitting in her face?!!). Or anyone who doesn't feel like they want to say the pledge of allegiance.

People who feel they must impose their views on others, or that they should deny others a voice - are crap - no matter what side they are from.

AFCA · Apr 7, 2003

Originally posted by mannyfreshstunna
On my dorm room door, i have some lovely posters from protest warrior.com. I put them up becuase i am tired of seeing one viewpoint on campus. Further more, the "peace" protests are getting more vicious in their verbal attacks. They also recently staged a "die in" over by DuSable hall,blocking all pedestrian traffic.

So seeing as how this is a democracy, i figured i'd put some stuff on my door that showed i wasn't either an anti war demonstrator, nor an apathetic college student. No problem right? Wrong. I had them up for about three days when i came back from class to find they had been written on to change their message.

Slightly perturbed, i printed the same ones out and put them back up, along with a sign saying "God Bless the troops in the Gulf." Those batch of signs lasted 2 days before they were ripped down, including, much to my dismay, the one blessing the troops.

I could understand one being opposed to this war, but to rip to shreds a sign asking for the protection of the troops absolutely boiled my blood.
Now both times this desecration of democracy took place while i was at class. However, not but ten minutes ago, i was sitting here minding my own business playing some strategy games, when from the door i hear the sound of duct tape and paper being ripped from my door.

I rush over and whip it open yelling what the ************ do you think you're doing? "Confronting" me were a group of 3 or 4 kids i had never seen before. All they could say to my shouts were "pro war man, it's no good." Then a girlfriend of one of them apologized for their actions, but i still am angry. I have seen other people in other dorms post stuff on their doors that was anti war.

i didn't agree with it at all, but i never thought about ripping it down. Why does it seem like the left can't tolerate a different opinion? And what do they have agianst the troops? I need some answers, because i am still fuming. Three times they have attempted to stifle my voice, yet i will not stop supporting this my way.
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Go with god oh brave one.

Wolfie · Apr 7, 2003

Originally posted by DJPoopypants

People who feel they must impose their views on others, or that they should deny others a voice - are crap - no matter what side they are from.
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This is true, but why do so many anti-war protesters start throwing their toys around when they lose the arguement ? Do you not recognise this trend, it is certainly true here in England.

SJFC4ever · Apr 7, 2003

Originally posted by Wolfie
This is true, but why do so many anti-war protesters start throwing their toys around when they lose the arguement ?
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It's because some people (on both sides of any argument) are somewhat mentally unbalanced. See Galloway, George, for an example of this in this situation.

Equally, on the European argument, you have people like Teddy Taylor, who keep rabbiting on about how we should never have gone into the Common Market,

This just happens because all people have some idea that they profoundly believe in. When it goes the other way, then they start saying all sorts of bizarre things.

BrianJames · Apr 7, 2003

Originally posted by bostonsoccermdl
Its a college thing. They think they have all the answers at this age and have the world by the balls. When they graduate, get a job in the real world, have to report to a boss, and quickly ditch the idealistic attitude and start getting more practical in their views..
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You get older, you get more corrupt. Graduate college, get stuck with huge student loans, and people will quickly trade in their old views for more practical beliefs because it's easier. Being idealistic is not easy, calls for difficult questions and even more difficult answers. It's much easier to change ones beliefs to fit the world, than to keep your idealogies of how things could be.

Manny, obviously it makes no sense for an anti-war person to tear down a "bless the troops" poster. People do stupid crap all the time, this was stupid, leave it at that, and don't give in to the political cycle of ignorance that breads "left vs right". Its great for status quo Dems and Reeps politicians, but bad for just about everyone else.

joseph pakovits · Apr 7, 2003

Originally posted by mannyfreshstunna
The Left's Inability to Deal With an Opposing Viewpoint
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Projection: A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own impulses and traits

btousley · Apr 7, 2003

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Originally posted by joseph pakovits
Projection: A defense mechanism in which the individual attributes to other people impulses and traits that he himself has but cannot accept. It is especially likely to occur when the person lacks insight into his own impulses and traits
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Actually Joe - Manny's post is a perfect example of the intolerance of young skulls of mush to actually having a reasoned debate. Or an example to support your contention that education in this country is in the crapper. The low life's that marked up his posting did not have the balls to discuss it with him face to face - no they marked up the poster in abstentia and ran away like little weasels.

Hang in there Manny ---- someday all liberals grow up.

SJFC4ever · Apr 7, 2003

Originally posted by btousley
someday all liberals grow up.
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and become old liberals,

Matt Clark · Apr 7, 2003

God if the sulky pouting in here gets any worse we're going to have to dress you up in swimsuits and call you all 'Miss'.

Get over it already, as they say on your side of the pond.

btousley · Apr 7, 2003

Originally posted by SJFC4ever
and become old liberals,
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Actually my wife's elderly aunt (who since died of cancer at 88) was a died in the wool Massachusetts democrat/liberal for most of her life - we used to have spirited discussions about the Kennedy's and her association with some of the family and others in the Massachusetts Dem. party. She abhorred Bush I. But after the Lewinsky affair - she abandoned the party because she said it proved a lack of integrity and the inability to stand on principle. She hated the conservative part of the Republican party - but she admitted if nothing else - they tended to stand on principle more. A truly great woman.

Cascarino's Pizzeria · Apr 7, 2003

Originally posted by btousley

Actually my wife's elderly aunt (who since died of cancer at 88) was a died in the wool Massachusetts democrat/liberal for most of her life - we used to have spirited discussions about the Kennedy's and her association with some of the family and others in the Massachusetts Dem. party. She abhorred Bush I. But after the Lewinsky affair - she abandoned the party because she said it proved a lack of integrity and the inability to stand on principle. She hated the conservative part of the Republican party - but she admitted if nothing else - they tended to stand on principle more. A truly great woman.
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Defending some of the Kennedys is indefensible. But then again, I don't live in Massachusetts. Was Teddy elected-for-life back in the 60s?

SJFC4ever · Apr 7, 2003

Originally posted by btousley
Actually my wife's elderly aunt (who since died of cancer at 88) was a died in the wool Massachusetts democrat/liberal for most of her life
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Sounds like a top woman.

She hated the conservative part of the Republican party - but she admitted if nothing else - they tended to stand on principle more.
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I would agree with that, but their only problem is that those principles are wrong,

Chicago1871 · Apr 7, 2003

I once had a two page list that was entitled "You Know You're from Chicago When" taped to my dorm room door. One of the things on the list was "anytime you hear someone say 'The City,' no matter where you are, you think they're talking about Chicago." Well, one day someone had the gaul to write, "New York is 'the city,' Chicago sucks." Bastard! I put up a new one, and set a spring trap to catch the punk. Well, sure enough later that day the alarms went off and I opened my door and sure enough, snared in the spring trap was...some random person walking down the hall. MFS, such is life in the dorms. People are gonna tear down and write on things that you post on your door. Btsousley said it quite well, they just don't have the guts to say it to your face. It's a few cents of paper, just put it back up again. Don't let the man "tear" you down.

phats_away · Apr 7, 2003

so what. a girl rips down any anti-war flier,poster she can find, and spends a few hours a week to do so. boo ************ing hoo. just because she's ignorant to others viewpoints, doesn't mean every pro-war hawk is. let's make more generalized sweeping characterizations please.