The Kid's alright - Getting the last L'OL: Tanner Tessmann at Olympic Lyonnaise

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Dave Marino-Nachison, May 26, 2020.

  1. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Big club + loan moves suck.

    Guys like Tessmann are a rounding error. The parent clubs aren't that invested in the player and the club the player is loaned to even less so.

    The middle step requires the club to use a greater percentage of its resources on the player which requires the club to be more invested in that players development to secure their investment/precious resources. Also, it's easier to access that clubs first team and obtain minutes, which the club will really want to give you to develop you and make sure you don't flop.

    Teams like MCFC or CFC won't care if they lose $6 million. They won't be as interested in making sure you succeed as say a Torino would be.

    I don't suppose Inter operates on the same plain as MCFC or CFC but I still prefer the latter path with the same rational in mind.
     
  2. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    If you don't care about money, perhaps. If you also care about money, not so sure. Middle level clubs can easily be poorly run, run out of resources and fall into disarray. It's just as easy to be an Everton or a Vitesse or a Sampdoria as a Heerenveen or a Napoli or a Villa.

    Monza, Torino, even Juventus and Milan have all been bankrupt, caught up in scandal, are on crisis away from falling apart.
     
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  3. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    We'll revisit this in... two years. If I can find it and anyone here still cares about Tessmann at that point.
     
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  4. Crewmudgeon

    Crewmudgeon Member+

    Sep 3, 1999
    Crewdom
    Yes, most often the case. But I remember Bayern had a young player coming up through their youth set up. He was thought to be a sure thing, but couldn't crack the senior lineup. Instead he was loaned out for two seasons. That player was Philip Lahm. Sometimes a loan is just what the doctor ordered.
     
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  5. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    There are plenty of players who have done the "big club loan route" and had their expected success - or at least decent success. And plenty of players who have stuck it out at a mid-level club a little too long and missed the ideal payday/play option. Few of us are good soothsayers, and we are not allowed to play parallel careers with the same players.

    I think at the end of the day, assuming a player doesn't end up in that dreaded - too good/expensive to loan/not good enough to play Matt-Turner-esque no-man's-land - it's probably a wash. A good player finds a place to play, someone like Hoppe, who is more of a flash in the pan doesn't, or Miazga, who somehow got overrated doesn't, until they find their level.

    The thing here that's most weird is almost no one was talking "Tessman is Inter quality" even 6 months ago. This isn't Yamal or Freddy Adu here... Even Inter's interest ups Tessman's profile and $. If he just quietly moved to Torino his bank account does not end up at the same place. Money isn't everything, but if you're going to end up at Torino anyway... why not have a few hundred thou or so extra Gran?
     
  6. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Tessmann is a CM who plays centrally and becomes the motor of a team. He's not a winger, a striker, or a fullback.

    A player with his characteristics needs to be integrated with the team slowly. It can take a couple of seasons for a youngster to flourish in such a position. A technical position, where you must know the other players and the club's philosophy well (and clubs do have a philosophy, that's why some are known to play defensive, some to be wing-play teams, some to be extremely fluid, and so on, no matter the personnel), requires you to grow with the club.

    Meh. I'm wasting my time here.
     
  7. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    NYC
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    DeBruyne was loaned, Sarah loaned. I'm sure there are others. Don't be so negative. The guy has some stats to show for his interest. And he's tall.
     
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  8. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    So... you want him at a smaller Serie A club for "a couple of seasons" to "grow with the club?" Ok, but better pick the right club then, cause in Italy you can just as easily "bankrupt with the club."

    Sure, if he's choosing between, say, Roma or Napoli and Inter, he's got a better shot at the former two, but they aren't "smaller" by much, but if he's looking at yo-yo teams or teams where the finances can collapse quickly... I guess Lecce and Sassuolo are the best bet for "smaller" teams.
     
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  9. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    I might be misremembering, but it seems you've had a different take when it comes to how long it should be taking Musah to get up to speed at Milan. Sure, Musah had to play some fullback and winger this past season, but he's a central midfielder.
     
  10. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Musah doesn't have playmaking duties. Tessmann did, with Venezia at least.

    Also, my opinion of Musah with Inter has not been exactly high. I didn't think he looked good with Valencia and had very few expectations about him with Milan. I did like the MMA midfield in Qatar thought because, even though it lacked creativity, it compensated for our weak defense (now it's even weaker).

    Checking my posts in the Musah thread, I've had very little to say about him. I wanted him in a more defensive role, and call him "inconsistent" consistently.
     
  11. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Yes. They're a big club in Italy. They should buy players to contribute now or at least have the confidence in him to keep him at the club and give him some playing time. Their gamble is not in Tessman's best interest IMO.
     
  12. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    But he was their player. They already saw him on a daily basis.
     
  13. Bobbyho36

    Bobbyho36 Member

    Aug 8, 2007
    NJ
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Finally! Something the whole board can agree on!
     
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  14. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    I might have been thinking of another poster.
     
  15. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Settle down. Us FCD guys saw him play live and yep we all like/ love the kid. Fun times watching as a a FCD / US Soccer fan s I'm sure Philly fans are feeling now. Tessmann was even more raw but we all saw what he could be. I've suggested for years that he could be a special playervsince he can hit long, accurate passes with both feet. Now Serie B has noticed and hopefully that form carries over to Serie A and the national team.
     
  16. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Yeah, a Yank Abroad on the books at Inter is very likely to be forgotten in 2 years. lol. We freaking followed the Melrose Place dude to Zimbabwe, Jonny Walker to Chile and Rubin to Sinola for heaven's sake. Did someone highjack your account?
     
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  17. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    We knew lean years too.
     
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  18. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Maybe we follow them but don't post about them here. Half of the threads only have one or two people posting.
     
  19. Roblar

    Roblar Member+

    Sep 15, 2000
    The 73072
    ...but perhaps 10-20 people reading! :p
     
  20. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Come on, bruh. Tessman transferred to Venice almost exactly 3 years ago. His thread has over 1000 posts since then, while even spending time in Serie B... It's just silly. BS will follow any Serie A player, even a bench-warmer, with great interest, esp as long as CP, Weah and Musah - and maybe even Busio - are in the league.
     
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  21. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
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  22. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
  23. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Still thinking a loan to Bologna and his old coach at Venezia is a great spot for him next year.
     
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  24. Higher Learning

    Jul 1, 2009
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  25. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Thought his old coach went to Torino.
     
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