The Jonathan Gonzalez Thread

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by TheFalseNine, Dec 14, 2017.

  1. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT
    Love to hear US media reactions to this, or do they dare to react?

    I am also interested in hearing what the USSF Presidential candidates has to say about this. I think Martino, Wynalda, etc. can use this to really put a nail on the those candidates backed by MLS/USSF/SUM.
     
  2. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's gone. Obviously wish he would have stayed, but I can understand it given the opportunity of a WC and the contrast between the two federations.
     
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  3. frankburgers

    frankburgers Member+

    May 31, 2016
    lol three years from now Gonzalez will be playing at a Barca, Juve, Man City type club and i am going to shed a tear.
     
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  4. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree he has every right to choose any country he's eligible for but he literally is less American by chosing to play for our biggest rival. By choosing a team that will play against us in our biggest games. If he doesn't get picked by them I will have a big belly laugh.
     
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  5. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    I would make the point that his being a bit opportunistic would be an extremely American trait...
     
  6. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    And six years from now Mexico fans will hate him after he signs a big MLS deal.
     
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  7. ttrevett

    ttrevett Member+

    Apr 2, 2002
    Atlanta, GA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All I can hope now is that he rues his decision one day. I can't blame him for making the choice that he did. The US is a dumpster fire from a soccer perspective. Missing a second consecutive World Cup in 2022 is not one bit unlikely at this point with no coach, no clear sense of a team ethos, and no leadership guiding us on any path, right or wrong. We may have one or two really promising youngsters in Puli and Leiblingspanzer, but beyond that, the quality is really scarce. Mexico is really in a good place right now and has no evidence of falling off the pace internationally. He might or might not get on the '18 WC squad, but if he keeps up his play, he'll likely be on it, and if he continues his trajectory, for sure in '22. I don't blame the kid one bit.

    There are too many people and the entire system to blame in the US, so I won't even go there.

    That being said, none of that will stop me from disliking the kid and booing vociferously each and every time I see him play. You turn your back on the Red White and Blue for our hated rivals, you suck and I hope you fail and flail.

    I don't hate his decision to run from the US System, but I do dislike him (now).
     
  8. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    But imo this is not necessarily the best move for his financial career. The real money is in a move to MLS as an established member of the USMNT. He could have played out his contract in Mexico and signed on as a DP in MLS for more money than he will likely ever earn anywhere else. This decision is not made for financial reasons. This move is all about him doing something he always wanted to do, but was never honest enough to admit to while he didn't think it was likely.
     
  9. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This hurts but whatever, I'll have to wait a little longer to see another world class Hispanic American USMNT player.
     
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  10. Starman*

    Starman* Member

    United States
    Mar 28, 2017
    917933126583705600 is not a valid tweet id
     
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  11. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good luck to him.
     
  12. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    From the little I've seen of him, I think Adams is a better prospect than Gonzalaz, who's a better prospect than McKennie.

    Of course that's just my opinion, and I'd imagine a lot of people disagree that that.
     
  13. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I didn't want him to leave the player pool, but this is not as big of a deal as some are making it out to be, IMO.

    He was LigaMX best XI because it was a nice story. If his team was in last place, I don't think he would've even been talked about. Its similar with the Tyler Adams discussion in MLS. He was good towards the end of the season, but the media went totally overboard and gave him credit for playing better than he did. I watched some of Gonzalez's matches and watched every touch videos of the others. If what I saw was a best XI player in LigaMX, its like a USL level league. He was okay, really not much better than that. I'm not even sure he had a better season than Tyler Adams just had in MLS, and I'm not convinced Adams had such a great season either.

    I don't really care if we have players make the LigaMX best XI, whether its unprecedented or not. Who was the last LigaMX player who was good for the NT? Also, the "grit and work-rate" talk is all thats wrong with our NT. People here (and our NT decision makers) overvalue "grit and work-rate", as if thats what win football matches, instead of possession and skill. We didn't qualify for the World Cup for many reasons, but probably the biggest problem with our NT was how poor it was in possession and how unskilled it was. It was better than T&T, but if you keep getting worse in the key areas of the game, you shouldn't expect it to be a formality to beat the CONCACAF minnows. We gotta get back to being better in possession and more-skilled. You are exactly right that Gonzalez comes from the grit and work-rate mold, of which we have plenty of, and don't need more of. Maybe he could've replaced some of the lesser "grit and work-rate" players, but he's not part of the possession and skill mold, which needs to make up the majority of our NT.
     
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  14. TheFalseNine

    TheFalseNine Moderator
    Staff Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Jul 15, 2014
    Norman, Okla.
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wonder what that means?
     
  15. ckajMonet

    ckajMonet Member

    Spurs
    United States
    Jun 8, 2017
    Tweet was deleted, what'd it say?
     
  16. smokarz

    smokarz Member+

    Aug 9, 2006
    Hartford, CT


    Exactly. He can make Bradley and Altidore money in MLS if he was a member of the USMNT.

    The more you look into this, and the more that things begin to come out, you come to the realization that he was just waiting for El Tri to come calling.

    if his heart was with the US as he claimed, this decision would have never happens, not right now, not at 18 years old. He still have plenty of WC ahead of him, there are still many many opportunities to be called in by the US.

    If he was Germain Jones age, and his was his last WC chance, then sure the decision makes sense.

    I am beginning to think, he was an "El Tri" all along, and the US just got fooled.
     
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  17. ChuckMe92

    ChuckMe92 Member+

    Jun 23, 2016
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't believe it is the case that this is the first time Mexico has shown interest in him. I'm pretty sure there are articles out there saying he has turned down Mexico YNT callups at multiple levels. It's the first time the full El Tri senior team have invited him, true, but he's chosen USYNTs over Mexico YNTs in the past.
     
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  18. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a very pro-MLS view so you're likely not alone at all but have many detractors. For my money McKennie>JoGo>Adams at this stage. And if Adams stays in the MLS he won't climb above either IMO.
     
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  19. bballshawn

    bballshawn Member+

    Feb 5, 2014
    Delaware
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Probably bribed my FMF
     
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  20. Gacm32

    Gacm32 Member+

    Chelsea
    Switzerland
    Nov 28, 2010
    Geneva
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Wow, he went through his twitter and deleted that tweet? Unreal, I guess it really is happening. Fu!k. It just said that he was speechless the day we failed to qualify.
     
  21. Starman*

    Starman* Member

    United States
    Mar 28, 2017
    oh shit lol. it was his "Speechless" tweet after US failed to qualify. It's over guys.
     
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  22. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't call the kid a liar so easily. He said it, I believe it. He said it as a young kid playing in the US youth pipeline. He's a young man now and I don't know about you but I waffled a bit on my youth stances when I became 18. Your view changes.
     
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  23. laxcoach

    laxcoach Member+

    United States
    Jul 29, 2017
    intermountain west
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bruce Arena, the gift that keeps on giving.
     
  24. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA

    You're talking salary. I'm talking q-rating and social impact.

    I mean, John Wall and LBJ make the same NBA salary.

    JoGo could be a star in Mexico, not just a high earning player.
     
  25. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    USA
    Well I was really just talking ceiling. I love Adams' skill set.
     

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