The Joe Biden Presidency II : He's too old...or something like that!

And backbiting from Democrats generates clicks and the inside story on Biden generates clicks and hating on the DEI candidate generates clicks. Dems in disarray gets clicks. But GOP wants to destroy democracy is not worth 2 articles, interesting.

 

Typical lawyer... never get a straight answer

But, tbh, I think quite a few of us feel the same way for the simple reason that none of us can be sure what will happen if he steps down, (even less so if he's effectively forced out), and is replaced by someone like Newsome, (if people think Harris is a problem because she's not that popular).

Thus the rather tortured and divisive nature of this discussion.

 

Really... interesting!

Does either of them fancy having a go at being president?

 

I can well understand someone, (whether they're POC's, gay or whatever), feeling it would be better if everyone shut up and just get behind Biden. I mean, I don't agree with it but I can understand the sentiment.

I think the problem is, if it was just us jawing on an internet yapfest it wouldn't be a problem... but it wasn't. It was some influential democratic politicians and news media that said it first. All we're doing is commenting on what THEY said.

Under those circumstances I don't think it's plausible to tell people to 'get with the program'... or is it 'programme'? Anyway, whatever!

So even though I understand their annoyance I think that points has been passed. We're onto another part of the conversation now, IMO.

 

First, I don't think Biden has to lead us for the next four years, he can do it until sometime in 2025, then graciously step down and make Harris POTUS.

Second, I do think there's too little time and there is no candidate that can offer a compelling case of why they're better than Biden vs Trump. If it is Harris, which is the logical choice, it will be Hillary Reddux with heavy racism incorporated. Whitmer? The same. Newsom? Could work but who knows. Can anyone point out who is that candidate that will suddenly galvanize all the Dems and independents and present a credible challenge to Trump and his criminal organization?

 

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Bro, I asked questions about the press, back biting, what script are we giving to door. Knockers and callers last page and still no answer. Drop Joe and things will be better somehow someway.

 

Your feelings work for only part of this. He's a rapist and a felon, yes, but he's not unpopular, and he didn't cost them anything. He's helped to Christianize the GOP and red states wrt abortion and education. The Business Right now does the bidding of millions of twelve-toed hayseeds. He's given the GOP a 6-3 SCOTUS lead. He just got the second-highest vote tally in the history of POTUS elections, and I bet that number holds up when you factor in population increases since universal adult suffrage became law.

 

I get you but the Dems have a great candidate too if they weren't scared of their own shadow. Trump is all the things you said and yes Republicans will vote for him, some enthusiastically some will hold their nose. The problem is Dems are to afraid to fight him. It's easier to fight each other.

 

I see another shaky interview has been released a few days ago. Speedy 360 I think it was?

Anywho, in and of itself, it wasn't awful, but it again had moments. If the debate hadn't happened, they'd probably be minor. But, it's the culminative effect now that's the problem.

Each and every moment of confusion compounds on the inevitable next one.

Biden he cooked. He's got no shot at winning now.

Is a candidate change now a risky move? Oh hell yes it is. But in a risk calculation, its far worse to stick with Biden as people on the margins just won't show up now.

 

They're too busy making sure they're being better than Trump, lol

I never understood that line of thinking. It's not like I need to do anything to be better than a conservative. I am better than a conservative because I am not racist, sexist, or _____ phobic, I do not promote my faith or any beliefs that people of my faith share wrt controlling the bodies of other adults, I support sensible gun legislation, and I don't see anything special about the Judeo-Christian Anglo-American culture conservatives are trying to preserve.

It's so easy to be me that I have no respect for the humanity of the people who refuse to try. But far too many Dems have that respect when it's not being returned.

I also think far too many Whites mourn the "death of statesmanship" when public service was so White for so long that the concept of statesmanship rings hollow anyway. America never has been, and I'm not sure it will ever be.

 

When you say 'with Biden', do you mean 'still openly in support of Biden'?

 

Of course. 98% of Democratic voters are going to vote for whoever the Dem candidate is. People are fighting over the 2%. That's another reason why making the Kamala switch is less risky than staying with Biden. She won't do any worse and she might do better.

 

I know I've mentioned this before and people have questioned the thinking but I still believe that, for young people in particular, Biden's support of Netanyahu has been the cause of some problems.

We had the same thing over here with labour losing some seats they were meant to win...



The thing is, (and this might come as a surprise to people like J. D. Vance), the proportion of Brits that are Muslims is only 6.5% but the problem is, they're not evenly distributed across the country. They tend to live in certain areas and it was THOSE MP's that were taking a risk for their seat.

Ashworth and Phillips, (both of whom I've met as it happens), were good MP's. Ashworth, in particular, was meant to be one of the new cabinet ministers in the incoming labour government but, obviously, that went by the board when he lost. Jess Phillips only held on very narrowly and that on a night when we swept the board in most areas.

So I'm thinking that some swing states might be a lot narrower than they should be with both the youth, (who will have been turned off by the situation in Gaza), and even quite a small Muslim population not turning out to vote.

And, please, for the love of god, do NOT tell me that Mango Mussolini won't be any better for the Muslims, (or young people for that matter). We ALL know that

The point is, bearing in mind it can several hours to register your vote in some areas over here, you need to have a reason to get off your arse to go vote.

 

I twice provided an example of a script Biden could have given the press.

 

He can't talk clearly.

 

I asked what are we gonna give door knockers when people rip apart the party. What are we gonna give phone callers. What are gonna do when the pro Biden people can't stop running to the press like the anti Biden people are doing now? What is the response to Kamala, the DEI candidate?

This is the real shit that all this plug and play pollster talk ain't talking about

 

All I see is how dramatically the Democrats are failing.

 

Not a fan of replacing Joe, but here is a plan I agree with:

I’m not saying Biden should step down. But if he does, he should do it right as Trump takes the stage at the RNC to steal away his media attention.

— The Volatile Mermaid (@OhNoSheTwitnt) July 18, 2024

 

When Republicans push to bring back slavery, and the press accuses democrats of being unreasonable in not debating the matter, I am sure the Dems will cave