The Joe Biden Presidency II : He's too old...or something like that!

They are not.

 

Anticipating the moves of a predator before it can strike.

He's probably said it, and I know I have- the first time was not here, but to White friends who were all pissy about the OJ verdict. When I told them I'd never seen them this emotional about courtroom corruption before, during any of the previous X thousand trials where wealth played a role in the verdict, some of them got the point.

I've said it here, but I don't know if it was during a specific conversation, or just in general.

 

Jeffries may be inclined to join the coup

MORE, per a source familiar: Schumer and Jeffries spoke and both agreed to make the push. 👀 https://t.co/rNOcFuVs0N

— Andrew Desiderio (@AndrewDesiderio) July 17, 2024

 

What primary?

We were given a choice of Phillips, Williamson and Biden, who might not have been presented in a totally honest way.

 

IMHO this is the only way (and the correct way) for Biden to not head the ticket. And it should then be Kamala Harris at the top.

Whether this succeeds or crashes and burns spectacularly is a different story.

 

For the record, there is no guarantee it would be Harris, even if she is the presumptive replacement.

 

Whoever it is, I would highly recommend they continue to stonewall the f********ing NYT for a sit down interview.

 

On the last page I referenced a poll that says black voters are basically split as to whether or not they think Biden should be the candidate - it was 35% saying stop, 25% not sure, 39% saying continue. In other words, if Biden's strongest support is basically split evenly on the matter, maybe we should consider who they (and the rest of us) think is actually the best candidate this time as well.

 

He'll be able to step aside after the election. If he steps aside now, whoever replaces him will lose and the party will look stupid for proposing it in the first place.

Y'all are deluded if you think anyone else can win in this environment.

 

There are stupid Black people out there, too, and some trolls.

 

Ever consider that it is not faith in Biden but faith that replacing him with Harris. You don't want to get it because you believe in your viewpoint so much no one else's concerns matter.

 

White people are telling us they're afraid Joe will die and a black woman will be president. So now we're being asked do we have faith in Joe and some people are as you can imagine divided because we don't have a say in this. The elite whites are going to sit up there and say this is the way forward and now we're going to have to support Harris or Newsome or somebody else. It's not a lack of faith in Biden, it's a lack of faith in the party and the fact that there are splintering right before our f****** eyes and you're seeing them crumble and know they have no fight in them. This doesn't get into the question itself that was asked.

 

Well, that as well maybe but we also have to bear in mind that what would happen IF Biden withdrew is a counterfactual because he hasn't and, if he did and we find out it makes little difference, it's a bit late to start saying 'Oops... we were only kidding '

I think this is the nub of the issue.

As it stands we're all trying to second guess how a group of other people would react... the US electorate.

Polling will only tell you so much in a situation that hasn't happened for nearly 50 years and which very people will remember or even be aware of... an incumbent withdrawing from the race.

As you suggest, I suspect that a 'brokered primary', (I believe that's the case), wouldn't make any difference to the result if they get a strong candidate. If they did the extensive coverage should create some buzz about him or her which should help.

 

I'm not understanding what you are saying here. (edit: it looks like you explain it in a following post)

Listen, I hear you when you say replacing Biden with someone else is a big risk. I get that. Where we disagree is on whether or not it is a bigger risk than sticking with Biden. I'm ok that we disagree on that.

That said, I am now of the opinion that we were not given an honest choice in the primary. If we knew "debate Biden" back in January, I think the primaries would have gone very differently because the choices would not have been just Biden, Phillips and Williamson.

 

Is that kind of stupidity meant to make me feel better. The whole ticket is gonna be replaced? Yeah sure whatever. Nothing matters anymore.

 

Now your ok? Because for the past few pages, you said I was telling you to shut up.

I explained in another post, the lost of faith in Biden is a lose of faith in the party, the idea that he should step down and Kamala should run cause she can win. Black people don't believe she can win so now it's stay with Joe, don't stay with Joe or try someone different.

And we are being given an honest choice now? This is the most cowardly shit I have ever seen. I am disgusted to be a Democrat.

 

This white person is telling you he's afraid Joe cannot win the election now because he is no longer the Biden of 4 years ago. This white person is telling you he is more than happy if a black woman is president. I get that I am not representative of all white people. But I do think the Democratic leaders are in a full-on panic that Biden cannot win, so whether he dies or not during the next term is simply not a consideration because he will not get another term.

 

You're convinced your right. Let's hope you are.

 

Remember back in March the flag issue and everyone was saying I was saying something specifically when I wasn't. I wasn't saying you specifically were telling me to shut up. Go back and read my posts - at no point do I single you out. And the post I did reference that started that tangent wasn't even one of yours.

Putting on my Jitty hat now, the Bulwark did 3 focus groups of strictly black voters - two were solely black women, one was black men and women. That was not what those three focus groups were saying. You can say they are not representative, but I'm not dismissing what they say outright when the other things I see are polls that are saying 35% want Biden replaced, 25% are unsure and 39% don't want him replaced.

 

I actually hope I'm wrong about it all and that Biden will win if he is the official candidate on the ballot. I will be delighted if I am wrong.

 

No, you are convinced that changing candidates in this late hour is the only way to win. Despite all of the challenges. I disagree but it looks like the coup is coming so let's hope you're right.

 

Yes, I do think that is our best hope.

I'm ok that you and I disagree on that and I appreciate the stakes are high for all of us, which is why we are very passionate about it.

If it does happen, I hope it is done in the best possible way - with Biden graciously stepping aside and the process of getting the replacement as smooth as possible. Will the latter happen? Time will tell.