The Joe Biden Presidency II : He's too old...or something like that!

I am saying rally behind the president, support him in every public appearance and work like hell to get the youth on board with turn out pushing through policies that will get their attention at the last minute and things like that that have been done before and been proven to be successful.

 

They are valid when you can quantify what will happen. If you really think it's going to be plug and play with another candidate based on these polls then I don't know what to tell you because we've got a lot of other factors that we have to consider and this is all I'm ever screaming that you have all these other factors that have to go right. Whereas we have less factors that have to go right if we keep Biden, the candidate.

 

Listen to what young people are actually saying in the here and now.

 

Sorry, it's just I'm having images of a zombie candidacy now.

 

Do you remember how several people would say there's something about Hillary that they didn't like but they couldn't name that thing?

Nothing will be resurrected all over again and people won't be able to put their finger on that thing. I know what that thing is.

 

Like every demographic young people just want things that help them. It's why the loss on student loan hurt so much. Inact more policies that's going to have to be fought in the supreme Court next year but are allowed to exist now and you've got a chance. And that policies that will get young people's attention.

 

I seriously doubt young people care about the Supreme Court as much as posters here do. I've never heard my students talk about it as anything close to a priority.

 

I'm coming back to this quote because I am just looking at The Economist/YouGov poll from July 17.

One of the things I wanted to see was voter enthusiasm. 62% of Democrats are enthusiastic to one degree or another about voting, whereas 80% of Republicans are (Independents are at 40%). When you throw in "Leaners", then it's 58% for Democrats and 76% for Republicans. That's a big difference that doesn't bode well for Democrat turnout.

When you look at definitely or likely to vote, Republicans win that 96-92%. That's not good.

For those voting Biden, 42% of Democrats are voting FOR Biden and 57% AGAINST the fascist. Compare that to 84% of Republicans voting FOR the fascist, and 15% AGAINST Biden. That's not good either.

Only 27% of 18-29 year olds approve of Biden's job as president. That's not good either.

 

Your desired action is also risky. We are all at disagreement over the relative levels of risk and how to mitigate it.

This is a good conversation to have, but when we start accusing each other that our risk calculations are callous and indifferent, and then start infighting, we are just eating ourselves.

Jitty and Sounders are clear that they feel a switch (likely Kamala) would be helpful. Tigers and smurfquake think ridin’ with Biden is the best route. (Others have opined)

When the Dem candidate is in cement, I hope we are all still “all in” despite our disagreements here. I’m not in the crosshairs of a Trump admin, like smurfquake. I’m not going to advocate one way or another. I get that whichever route we take is risky, and I’d personally be stoked to vote for Kamala, but I’m strapped in with gear fastened tight.

Let’s do this, friends.

 

I am talking about how the student loan program was denied by the supreme Court. I am saying in policies now that will be good for the kids and get their attention even if the car will likely strike it down sometime next year you've already got the kids attention.

 

Just be aware, the next time someone says STFU about replacing Biden, I will be even more outspoken because it is an attempt to silence those who have the most to lose, even if they don't see it that way.


I'll also note that in the poll I linked to above, even black voters were fairly evenly split on if Biden should be replaced: 35% definitely/probably, 25% unsure, 39% probably not/definitely not. And black voters are his most solid support right now.

 

Where do you read that people have told you STFU? You talk like disagreeing with you is an insult, like your idea has no flaws and anyone doubting it wants gay people to die. You say this will communicating here to a black man who has a wife and daughter to be effected by their abortion laws, was undocumented and has a Mexican FIL. Like how about you just recognize someone has more to lose yet disagrees with you.

 

Just making sure, did I ask you to STFU? Because I’m saying I am largely doing the STFU-ing because I’m not in the crosshairs.

 

STFU is a recent or regular feature in this discussion. Do you really want me to do a search and highlight every time it has been used, because I will?

Even if it is directed at "leading Democrat officials" and not me, it is in fact trying to silence the voices of people like me. If "leading Democrat officials" are being told to STFU, then who is going to speak on my behalf on an issue that has extremely important ramifications to my life?


edit: The use of STFU for Democrat leaders who want to openly talk about replacing Biden reminds me of the gay flag issue that happened back in March. I talked about how that was being perceived by the LGBT+ community - that we were being told to STFU and just deal with it, even though the de facto message was that we should willingly accept being sacrificed for the greater good. The use of STFU in this current situation is very similar - we should just accept Biden as the nominee for the "greater good", even though he will lose and our lives could be placed in jeopardy. Once again, the perception is we need to make the sacrifice because we are expendable. You all might not see it that way, but you are not the ones regularly on the sacrificial table.

 

I don't know if you are one of them or not. I try not to pay attention to who is saying it. I've just hit the breaking point of seeing it.

 

And if pigs had wings, you'd never see an apple on the ground.

 

Reports that Biden has covid

 

I want the leaders to shut up because the press is not their friend. They want Dems in disarray stories. When you get your wish and Biden is replaced and those that don't agree with it are crying to the press, maybe then you will understand.

 

DT is Black. He's never been off the table

 

Today Adam Schiff also told Biden to drop out

I am so disappointed and embarrassed in the Dem upper echelon
They are telling us that primary votes do not matter. Why did they waste everyone's time when they could have handpicked anyone

 

Formerly undocumented immigrant with a wife and daughter and an autistic son. Along with a Mexican father in law that came here legally but I doubt that would matter in the roundup. Conservative America pushed my chips into the middle without my asking. Now I gotta hope, white liberals are gracious enough and not secretly prejudice or sexist enough to support a Black and Indian woman.

 

Yep. Might not even require any spinning since he's like a million years old.