The Joe Biden Presidency II : He's too old...or something like that!

His rallies have been good. If you are looking for a fault, you will find it. The press is and there are more than enough spineless Dems to give them stories.

 

Actually he somewhat does. See him on immigration, abortion or those things. He says a lot of the same things. All lies but very repetitive. He also constantly downplays Jan 6 and so does his party. Surprisingly no backbiting to be found on that. Amazing what a unified front can do.

 

Not agreeing with you is not refusing to hear you. I hear you, but I disagree with you.

You say we cannot have Kamala Harris as the candidate. I say that she already is the implicit de facto candidate because people do not think Biden will make it to 2029. I have yet to see you address that.

Again, the press did not shape my view that I have expressed here since 2022, so saying that is irrelevant in your discussion with me.

 

Are you actually able to hold a conversation without insulting us?

 

It's better than that, it's a feature. When people ask him about project 2025, he mubles stuff about not being involved with it. Epstein? Never heard of him. It's all fake news. Fake trials. And because he's so scattershot, people BUY it!

 

Previously you claimed I said everything was fine and I never said that. You have also refused to recognize my point. I don't think you know it.

Again, I have repeatedly said I don't think the press shaped your view. I have said your view comes from the fact that you believe you should have announced he wasn't running the midterms and everything else happened since that colors it.

 

At what point have I ever said that was directed to you. I think everybody who talks in that manner is very clear that that is directly in terms of those in power and the pundits. But in case you need me to make it clear again it is not directed at you it's directed towards the politicians who are given these reporters stories of disappointment and no confidence in Joe Biden.

 

You say we cannot have Kamala Harris as the candidate. I say that she already is the implicit de facto candidate because people do not think Biden will make it to 2029. I have yet to see you address that.

 

I'd like to see them able to articulate these points AND THEN pivot to the thrust of the campaign: a positive vision that tries to include EVERYONE in the country. Keep the focus on the vision, not on the opponent. Don't get sucked into culture war distractions or the more arcane policy details. If you need to steal Reagan's Morning in America crap, do it.

 

In addition, messaging publicly starts from the top. The orange fascist is good at shouting so that he is heard. As we saw in the debate, Biden is no longer the best person for getting the message out. Not only was he physically not up to it, but the optics overrode the message. And as we have seen, ever since the debate the focus has been on the optics, not the message. That is exactly why he is no longer the best person for getting the message out.

 

Making an unprecedented change would be a disaster. I am fine with implying Kamala is the candidate. I don't trust an America that refused to vote for a white women would vote for a black woman. Not to mention how this MAGA movement came about because a black guy was president. Nothing I have seen makes me believe that changing to Harris is a smart move. Then if it is about winning you would have to open up Pandora box and have a blitz primary. All of this is more trouble than rallying around the guy we have. Acknowledge his age, but run on his record and the record of his opponent and no on from white house to state rep say anything different than we have the right man for the job.

 

In the press to a democrats in disarray hungry press. Like how the Parkinson's expert visited the white house 8 times in the last year? Yup those are the people you need to share your concerns with.

 

Yeah but why did the MSM stop talking about Jan 6th? It didn't just happen, the GOP made it happen. Hell they now campaign on it and it can't get so much as a paragraph in the Times. Message discipline matters. Look at how many said Trump's crime on Jan 6th should be a legal issue. They all said it and the press backed down. All I've seen is once the Republicans unite around the message and don't back down the Press eventually backs down. But the Press knows Democrats always back down and there'll be some splinter given some comment negative to the whole cause because they somehow believe the price is their friend and they need to get this off their chest.

 

We disagree on the change.

If people won't vote for a black woman, and people believe that Biden won't make it until 2029, then we have already lost.

And this is where I assert the election is about the future, not the past. If you look at the polls you will see that Biden's job approval is very low and that people (wrongly) think the orange fascist is better for the economy in spite of his track record. People think they are worse off now and think they will be worse off next year. Young people don't like either candidate and have no belief that two people who were in high school when their grandparents were born will address the overwhelming concerns they have about the climate and their future.

We need someone who will inspire confidence and hope for the future. Biden is no longer the person able to effectively do that.

 

2 of my aunts recently moved to Mexico

 

CNN talks about Jan 6 on a regular basis.

The NY Times is all-in on the fascism now, so don't expect them to be of help.

 

What if Joe, and his wife, at the convention - say that they have heard the rhetoric and spoken with their doctors and believe that it is best he step aside, and push Kamala and support her to lead the democratic party of the future. And the Obamas and Kamala roll through the country drawing crowds and making the case that a future inclusive America with food trucks and solar panels on every corner is what we need. And Kamala owns Trump and brings out his most racist sexist side and America sees that, too.

I think "he's not Trump" might not work this time.

 

You have more faith in the press and electorate accepting a change than I do.

 

I have 4Joe Biden coffee mugs, and I’d be happy to have him step aside and give Kamala a chance.

I agree with @MattR, that it will unleash to worst in the GOP, and remind everyone why they shouldn’t be in the executive. If Kamala can’t succeed, then we deserve our demise. And God (who does not exist) help us all.

That said, if Biden does stick around, I’ll support him wholly.

I’m not leaving. I think about sending wife and kids abroad. It’s devastating, but I also want what is best for them. We are privileged, so we’ll get some extra time that others aren’t afforded.