The Joe Biden Presidency II : He's too old...or something like that!

And how many Stanger are out there? I would say enough to make a difference.

 

Did you actually watch the debate? Because you are being rather dishonest here if you are blaming his performance on his stutter.

I don't believe you. If he is the best candidate, then the election is already lost.

So you're saying he won't have any more "senior moments" for the rest of the campaign? Because if he does, the media will not ignore it, they will amplify it.

 

Some of us don't have escape as an option. I have never said all as well. I have said I disagree with you on the best course of action and I continue to disagree with you on that. You believe doing something that's unprecedented and never heard of before will Garner support with the public and press, the same people that have us in this situation because they can understand the situation. You want to trust the public to see it as you do but not how I do and you want to trust the Press is going to somehow just let this happen and not make it the next better email story and swallow up any hope of getting a message out.

 

Yes, I am thankful I have the option. France is actually well down on the list of where I would prefer to go, partly because of the politics, partly because of climate change and partly because of my being celiac (I will have no social life there because of it). The several countries closer to the top of my list are ones I can't move to, so I am making do with what I have.

edit: I should add my brother-in-law is black and he is enjoying living in France.

 

Compared to Dean Phillips and Marianne Williamson. Those were our primary choices. Neither make the top 10 of the best Dem candidate choices.

You can make that factually true argument all you want. It is true, but it is not what people are "hearing". The problem is convincing people that Biden will be alive and mentally sharp 4 years from now. Because if he isn't, and he already is showing serious decline, then the implicit message people are hearing right now is that a vote for Biden is a vote for Harris, but Dems are too scared to make that explicit because they don't think Harris is the best candidate. And if Dems don't think Harris is a good candidate, why should voters?

 

I don't think Biden is the best candidate. He was the incumbent, and if there is one thing us old white dudes like, it's being able to continue thanks to tradition and experience, even when we're past our prime. I think like Harry Kane and Ronaldo would agree, sometimes you should be subbed out but the coach and the powers-that-be conspire to keep you in.

So Biden got the support of the party, and the good candidates patiently wait their turn, and we have a dead tie for the president a few months out - despite the fact that one of the candidates has already tried to overturn an election, has promised that he will only recognize the results of the upcoming election if he wins, is personally responsible for providing the judges needed to create an abortion-ban-supporting, dictactor-like executive, and was likely the worst president ever a few years ago.

Things have changed since the primaries. Unfortunately, 80 year olds are stubborn and Joe doesn't want to hand over the car keys. Best case Joe steps down before the convention and they pick someone else. Worst case is he stays on and the lack of a future and excitement for a candidate means we won't have any more elections.

Monday, my 15 year old recommended we move to New Zealand.

 

Do it now. In 2016 their immigration website crashed because of Americans after the election.

 

Can't I just send him to the University of Aukland, wait for him to find a nice New Zealandish partner, and then move? I can put a Trump Pence sticker on my Tesla - oh crap.

 

Any more dishonest than the how the GOP have repeatedly played down Jan 6. You play it down as a whole party, You make it your talking point. You acknowledge it but don't give it life. Frankly, you didn't want him to run so anything short of him looking at his absolute best would be a problem.

Name me a president that would have gotten through what he got through in the current political atmosphere?

Oh now, you want to worry about the press. Aren't you the same guy saying we could make such a dramatic switch and the press would not have field day with it? You pride yourself on being a pessimist but are putting forward the kind of plan that is doomed to fail.

 

It will be much cheaper for him to go to the University of Otago, given the cost of living in Dunedin compared to Auckland. Otago also accepts American financial aid, whereas Auckland currently does not.

 

Did you watch the debate?

 

That is my whole point. Rally around him, and don't back bite or say anything different. At some point, it may just look to people that they believe in him then I guess we should give him some credit too. But all this crying helps no one and emboldens the press and Trump.

 

I have told you that several times yes I did. Did you watch Jan 6th?

 

I've been saving for my son's college since he was born. We're good.

The reason that I am currently on the "replace Joe" bandwagon isn't because he is a poor politician, or because I don't think he would make the correct, progressive decisions that he has made for the last 4 years.

It's because he (and probably the entire democratic party) can't seem to form a coherent argument - a nice, three-bullet argument on why you can't elect Trump again. At the Republican convention, they are raising their fists in the air and saying "we love Trump" and "fight fight fight" and blathering about weaponizing the gov't against the radical leftists.

I want someone to articulate the fact that Trump isn't going to respect the voters. Ask him in a debate why he is running for a position if he thinks the whole system is rigged. Ask him why he made so many terrible decisions in his personal and professional life, and continued to make terrible decisions as president. Ask him how he claims he loves America if he hates so many people that live here (immigrants, people of color, LBGTQ+, and democrats). I could make that argument with like 20 minutes notice, and I look pretty good in a suit.

Even Messi got subbed out.

 

Legitimate concerns that he will not physically or mentally be able to effectively campaign or govern for four additional years is not crying. That you continue to insult us because of our legitimate concerns is not helpful. Being disrespectful to us will not help.

Of course I did. In what world is that question relevant to your discussion with me?

Given you watched the debate, then you realize the problem was not him stuttering. As such, it is disingenuous to use that as an excuse.

 

No one said your concern isn't legitimate but at what point is it that you refuse to hear what we are saying cause it's not what you want to hear?

It matters because that is an example of message discipline. Take away all the fascism and stuff from the GOP and the one thing you see if message discipline. The Dems don't have it. They don't have it because they are too busy letting the press boss them around and not holding the line.