The Joe Biden Presidency II : He's too old...or something like that!

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  1. superdave

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    Forgot about Ford lol

    He’s an interesting example of how subsequent events can change a president’s ranking. The Supremes granting Trump immunity would have been less likely if Nixon had served time. The endless cycle of Republican ratfvckers getting away with crimes and then reemerging as viable politicians is in part a result of Ford pardoning Nixon.

    The defense of Ford is that the pardon allowed the nation to move on. Over the last half century we’ve relearned the lesson that the past is never dead. It’s not even past. Point being, we now know his calculated risk was a bad decision, something we didn’t really KNOW know for decades after.

    By the same token, Biden and to a lesser extent Obama will be judged in part by how much damage Trump’s two terms cause, and how long and hard the struggle to recover will be.
     
  2. soccernutter

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    As far as I understand, every President is rated on what happened during his term, nothing before and nothing after.

    Did he so anything significant policy wise? I don't think he did. But, yeah, for international politics he was pretty good.
     
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  3. soccernutter

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    That whole fake crack deal thing has left me with a real sour taste.
     
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  4. taosjohn

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    The invasion of Panama was pretty gross though...:sick:
     
  5. marek

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    Maybe he knew, maybe not
    Hard to tell with someone on the downslope of his physical and mental health
     
  6. superdave

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    Right, but subsequent events can affect how we evaluate things they did do in office. One example is that in 1993, we couldn’t really evaluate Bush’s decision to leave Saddam in place and not aim for regime change. After his son screwed the pooch, we could evaluate it.
     
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  7. charlie15

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    He was talking about skin cancer you ********ing mug!


     
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  8. marek

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    maybe, maybe not

    but you’ll get a coronary if you don’t calm down
     
  9. Val1

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    I dunno. At least looking at this from a purely military point of view.

    At the time, the US military viewed the Panamanian Defense Forces as the most skilled, best trained small army in the world. An outrageous number had been trained at the School of the Americas and were considered to be the best at small unit tactics in urban environments. Operation Post Road, as it was called, would become the blueprint for Desert Storm: go in with absolutely overwhelming force and it becomes a fait accompli. If we'd half-assed like we did Grenada, there would have been a boat load of American casualties.

    Add to this the stunning success of Desert Storm -- winning a war when you attack on the date you have told the whole world (I mean, who does that?) -- from overwhelming force to having built a world-wide coalition to having a definite objective, and I think you could make the case that Bush had the best understanding of the military of any president since George Washington.
     
  10. charlie15

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    Nah...Don't worry about me. I won't get a coronary over jackasses and scumbags...
     
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  11. Val1

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    And I will buy that defense.

    At Gettysburg, there is a great presidential exhibit above the Cyclorama. The entry for Ford is a copy of his presidential pardon. Apparently, that is what he would give visiting dignitaries and as a state gift. A copy of his pardon. He thought it illustrated that America is a land of second chances. He was proud of that, which leads to me believe that the pardon was less of a quid pro quo for Nixon stepping down than many have postulated.
     
  12. superdave

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    Man, I’m so disappointed that you’re being unreasonable! I can’t believe a fascist isn’t persuaded by reason!
     
  13. taosjohn

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    I meant from a moral POV...

    My impression was of a drug gang war fought by the armies of a major nation and a minor one and involving a parachute invasion of a major city in the middle of the night. Or don't you remember the prologue?
     
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  14. taosjohn

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    Pardons should follow convictions.

    By pardoning Nixon prophylactically, he made it possible for Republicans ever since to claim that there was no crime, only power politics. We're where we are today because he couldn't give a second chance, he had to extend the main chance eternally.

    A pardon was practical and appropriate-- but so was a conviction.
     
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  15. rslfanboy

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    Hey now. Which of us haven’t dabbled in framing others or invading nation states? Hmmmm????

    I said generally. He was head of the CIA. :D
     
  16. Naughtius Maximus

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    For obvious reasons I don't know much about Tapper... I hardly ever see the guy, tbh. I was just talking about the issue of Biden and his cognitive ability as he'd aged.

    Of course, the other thing about Biden is that he'd always had the ability to get mixed up and say something daft. It wasn't exactly something new when that debate happened. It was just more pronounced.

    A decent man, though, I agree.
     
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  17. Germerica

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    Say “something daft”? My dude… he couldn’t even get out a complete sentence lol

    It’s amazing to see some folks still in denial about this. The true believers I guess. Biden’s decision and those who ran cover and enabled him DIRECTLY cost you the presidency… full stop.
     
  18. superdave

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    Today Trump met with the leader of South Africa. One thing they talked about was white genocide. As proof, Trump held up a printed out article from The American Thinker that was in fact about the Congo. That publication was all-in on 2020 election conspiracies until the lawyers made them print an apology and retraction.

    Since we’re talking about cognitive abilities.
     
  19. luftmensch

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    This is some dumbass shit even by your standards.
     
  20. ElNaranja

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    He's waving around garbage to troll the libs don't you know? He's a genius.
     
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  21. charlie15

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    Tapper may be even more sleazy than he appears.....He is a ********ing ghoul.

    The CNN anchor, who co-authored the book with Axios reporter Alex Thompson alleging a “cover-up” around the previous president’s decline, has denied allegations that he reached out to Hunter for a scoop as his brother Beau Biden lay dying in 2015. But in an exclusive on-the-record comment to Breaker on Wednesday, Hunter flatly contradicted him.

    “It would be impossible to forget or misremember something that upsetting and out of line during one of the toughest moments of my life. It happened. I was furious,” Hunter Biden told the outlet.

    Tapper repeatedly called Hunter during Beau’s final days at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, according to multiple sources close to the Biden family. When those went unanswered, he allegedly used a blocked number to connect. Hunter’s message, as recalled by those present, was blunt: “Go ******** yourself, Jake.”

    The two reportedly came face to face at the 2018 Super Bowl. Tapper extended a hand; Hunter warned he’d knock him out if not for the public setting. Breaker reported that Tapper demanded an apology from Joe Biden for his son’s behavior,

    https://www.mediaite.com/media/news...-tapper-exposing-bitter-feud-go-fck-yourself/
     
  22. soccernutter

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    He's here to toll for the sake of trolling. At least Germy seems to have the convictions to stick with his beliefs.
     
  23. soccernutter

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    Yeah, but his son is the one to get the criticism, not Sr.
     
  24. Jazzy Altidore

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    What do you think?



    1. Average IQ of Teachers



    • Range: 105–115
    • Detail:
      • Elementary school teachers often fall around 105–110
      • Secondary (especially math/science) teachers tend toward 110–115
      • This puts them slightly above the general population average (100), consistent with the educational requirement of a bachelor’s degree and often a teaching credential or master’s degree.



    2. Average IQ of Oncologists



    • Range: 120–130+
    • Detail:
      • Oncologists are a specialized subset of physicians. Medical doctors in general often fall into the 120–130 range.
      • Oncologists, who typically score highly on standardized tests (e.g., MCAT) and complete additional post-medical school training, likely cluster toward the higher end of that spectrum.
      • Some psychometric studies suggest physicians, particularly in cognitively demanding subspecialties, may average 125–130 or more.
     
  25. Jazzy Altidore

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    1. Documented Farm Attacks in South Africa



    • South African Police Service (SAPS) and civil society organizations (e.g., AfriForum, Agri SA) have tracked farm attacks for years.
    • Farm attacks include violence against white and black farmers, farm workers, and their families.
    • While exact numbers vary depending on the source, hundreds of attacks and dozens of murders are reported annually.


    Example Data (varies by year):


    • AfriForum reported 293 farm attacks and 50 murders in 2022.
    • SAPS does not always disaggregate by race or occupation in public reports, making trend analysis difficult.





    2. Racial Targeting Controversy



    • Some groups, particularly AfriForum and certain right-wing or nationalist commentators, claim that white (especially Boer) farmers are being disproportionately targeted due to their race.
    • Others—including some South African academics, the government, and NGOs—argue that:
      • Farm attacks are primarily criminally motivated (robbery, access to weapons or vehicles),
      • And do not constitute ethnic cleansing or genocide.


    Key Counterpoint: The South African Human Rights Commission (SAHRC) and Amnesty International have acknowledged farm violence but have not found evidence of racially motivated genocide.





    3. Political and Rhetorical Tensions



    • Public figures like Julius Malema (EFF leader) have been criticized for using rhetoric perceived as anti-white, such as “Kill the Boer” chants (he argues it’s historical/political, not literal).
    • Such rhetoric fuels fears among Afrikaners, though courts have ruled on the legality of these expressions under freedom of speech.





    4. International Response



    • In 2018, Australian minister Peter Dutton suggested offering refugee visas to white South African farmers, claiming they were being “persecuted.” The South African government denied these claims and summoned Australia’s ambassador.





    5. Studies and Analysis



    • Institute for Security Studies (ISS) and other research bodies have suggested:
      • Rural crime is a serious problem,
      • But no systematic ethnic targeting of Boer farmers can be statistically confirmed.
    • They emphasize broader issues: land inequality, poverty, and poor rural policing.
     

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