The Joe Biden Presidency II : He's too old...or something like that!

@deejay thank you. Thank you for showing us what we are up against.

Liberals, you see how the Republican plan of going after Hunter so people believe all prosecution is retaliation and can't tell major crimes from real crimes works. No he is not as bad as the conservatives on here but look at him. He can't tell the difference in the hush money case. Also the stealing of secrets is ok.

I won't even get to the idea the FBI wanted to help hurt and kill politicians and capital police officers.

But like how Knave talks about meeting young white men where they are. How do you meet people who can't tell the difference in a major crime and a minor crime.

 

A progressive media ecosystem makes sense. But considering it has become clear the president is for sale and oligarchs can buy influence, how do you stop the poison from being pumped out.

 

Nah....The guy is openly and willingly swallowing complete BS and propaganda. The fact that he is here and can read about real facts is on indictment on him.

 

But there loads of him. Enough to change the future of the country. I have come to realize a large chunk of the population is this guy. People are not taking information like you or me. They believe corruption exists so when they are fed stuff that leans into their paranoia, it works.

 

Agree but this guy is exposed to rationale views and facts, he is not in a bubble, but decided to stick with the BS. If one willingly accepts to believe that nonsense because I guess white privilege or to stick to the other, not much we can do about that.

 

Both sides do it!

 

Just a word of advice. Confirmation bias is just as strong with "intelligent people", high IQ, college educated, etc. This is a well established in multiple studies. You could stand to be a little more curious about how others reach conclusions.

 

You quoted the Marjory Taylor-Green conspiracy theory about the FBI planning and organising the Jan 6 riot. Leaving aside the obvious point, (the FBI, like government agencies, ain't that well planned or well run), it implies a level of conspiracy that means thousands of individual agents and their contacts all agreeing and nobody breaks cover in the years since, including the ones who went to prison.

Maybe YOU could be a bit more curious.

 

I reviewed a theory and found some legs to it. Remember, I didn't vote for Trump nor have I ever voted for Trump. I just found enough issues that I decided not to vote for the Democratic party.

What is my line of reasoning? It is long established that the FBI has been practicing entrapment for a while. (for example a 2011 article by the Guardian: Fake terror plots, paid informants: the tactics of FBI 'entrapment' questioned) The FBI has yet to deny they had informants in Jan 6th. I don't think that lets Trump of the hook at all. I do think that it is plausible that the FBI was involved to some level and that is worrisome.

What does that mean for my vote? I had two possible reasons to vote for Harris. She is substantially more moderate than Trump or Trump is a threat to democracy. Once I looked closer suddenly the Democrats didn't seem to be so rule of law or so moderate nor did the Republicans look so fearsome.

In the end, I voted third party again.

What was I expecting from this forum? Not much to be frank. However, I have never gone to Trump forums and told them what could have been different and how they could get my vote. I came here because I was curious about the response to my experience.

 

Curious about who...you? Please.....

 

Well, next to the ATF just giving the cartels free range across the US/Mexico border.

 

Then there was the one about FDR allowing the Pacific fleet to be sunk in order to get us into the war in Europe...

 

Posts like this should come with a warning. "Reading this could make you dumb and stupid"
Stupidity is truly infinite.

 

They.’re not above occasional entrapment, of course. But they usually cap it off at three or four. A half dozen at the most.

 

That’s why it wasn’t entrapment! It was INSTIGATION. See, that’s why this theory has legs.

 

You just lack perspective. The FBI plotted with Biden in order to frighten Pence and the members of Congress who were just about to cancel the election results, after being persuaded by the irrefutable evidence gathered by the indefatigable investigators Rudy "The Mayor" Giuliani and Sidney "The Kraken" Powell. 3D Chess carried out by traitors in Trump's FBI and the Democrat Party, to smear the good work of the Trump campaign to expose Democrat fraud.

 

Hard to know if this guy's having a larf or is genuinely this daft..

What was it, a millipede? What do you mean, has some legs to it'? Do you mean you found it plausible? if so, say it.

NEWSFLASH!!! Nobody gives a shit. We're WAY past that.

We're now trying to understand why you thinking MTG's half-baked nonsense about the FBI organising a sting operation that was designed to attract thousands of innocent to attack the capitol was even remotely plausible.

Y'know, as opposed to the other possibility that Donald Trump fecking TOLD them to come to the capitol and then told them to go and 'fight like hell' and ALSO told them he'd be there with them... AS IF!!!

Er... you're an idiot?

Yes, mostly of black and brown people and anyone who looks vaguely 'muslimy', as this excellent Chris Morris film portrayed...



They target a few people... not several thousands all at once and NOT to attack the capitol. That was all Trump's idea, obviously.

As Doc W. pointed out someone informing on something illegal doesn't mean they organised it and what do you mean they were 'involved'? What does that mean, precisely?

I'd hope they WERE trying to find out if it was liable to turn violent, particularly as several of the people had a history of making threats of violence against all sorts of people.

If that's then deemed to have been 'involved' maybe the police should stop investigating bank robberies and drug deals as otherwise they're 'involved' in the robbery or drug deal.

More 'moderate' than Trump? Is that supposed to be funny? More moderate than someone who's already stated he's going to be a dictator?

Trump isn't a republican in any meaningful sense. He's a fascist.

Again, WE DON'T CARE!!!

Probably for the best

... and has it been everything your heart desired?

 

Umm

Given that the insurrectionist were planning this on line for months in advance…he’ll…Trump himself said it would be wild…it would be ********ing dereliction of duty if there WEREN’T federal law enforcement embedded in the crowd. For ********s sake…he was the sitting president giving a public speech. There would have been under cover secret service members all through the crowd.

This is the problem with people like you. You lack critical thinking skills and self awareness.

 

FYP.....

 

So…what I really came here to comment on…there are posts on Bluesky stating Biden is considering pardoning Cheney for whatever fake crimes Kash and Pam cook up.

Joe - you would do well to remember exactly who and what Cheney is. She thought Trump threatening to withhold aid to Ukraine unless they announced a made up investigation into your son’s activities was perfectly acceptable and was not a disqualifying activity for the POTUS to do.

Yes…she played a significant role in the J6 investigation. But before you ascribe altruistic motives to her doing this…you’d do well to consider this was a purely calculated political move on her part….and she simply calculated incorrectly. See…she…like you…thought the majority of elected republicans…and hell…a majority of the Republican electorate…were normal people with whom we simply had differing opinions on the role of government. Your friends across the aisle. That the MAGA faction was merely a very vocal minority. She thought she would emerge the leader of this new/old Republican Party if she led the charge against the maga crowd…finally awakening the silent, normal, GOP majority.

She lost. Badly. And now she’s gonna suffer the repercussions of the very acts Trump tried to get the DoJ to do to you and your son last time around…only this time…DoJ will be led by someone even more craven and despicable that Bill Barr.

You do no service to this country protecting the likes of Cheney. Republicans need to suffer the consequences of everything they’ve enabled. Particularly the Cheney’s of the world.