The Joe Biden Presidency II : He's too old...or something like that!

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by soccernutter, Mar 27, 2024.

  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m just posting this tweet as a citation



    Note the first part; this is the first rate cut of the entire Biden presidency

    what a remarkable performance on the economy from the Democrats over the last 3 1/2 years. Maybe about a 9-12 month period of inflation that was at the higher edges of “worrisome but not scary” and fantastic growth compared to peer nations, all in a tight money environment. We seem to have really found a sweet spot, ideologically, for this moment in world economic history.
     
  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Yeah, if I were a Democrat of some influence, if anyone but yall (ha ha ha) gave a shit about what I think, I’d have a calendar reminder for 100 days after Jan 20 next year, to get revenge for Joe Biden. I’m not talking about merely urging him to drop out. That was an incredibly difficult decision to make, for all of the players.

    Im talking about the media double standard on this topic, the dogpiling…and the Democrats who used that debate performance as a way to grow their own brands, or score points with journos with juicy leaks, rather than being a team player.

    You can say what you want in the locker room, but at the post game press conference, players and coaches are expected to sing from the same songbook.
     
  3. taosjohn

    taosjohn Member+

    Dec 23, 2004
    taos,nm
    Note that the "one against" was a Trump appointee, and that he (Trump) called for the cut to not take place.
     
    SetPeace and Dr. Wankler repped this.
  4. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
  5. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    The Biden-Harris economy…

     
    soccernutter and charlie15 repped this.
  6. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Biden". Yes.. It happened during Biden's administration, but Biden did not implement any policies that would have caused this. The shale revolution basically exploded the US's oil production and, starting in 2010, it has been a fairly rapid, but consistent climb up to the current 13m barrels a day. There were a couple of drops when Trump convinced the Saudis to increase production in 2016 following Khashoggi's murder and another in 2020 during covid.

    https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=pet&s=mcrfpus2&f=m

    Not to mention Canada going from around 3m barrels per day to almost 6m in that time frame.
     
  7. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I might be misinterpreting how important it was, but wasn't the turning point when the Biden administration accessed the oil reserves, showing they were willing to play hardball to keep the prices reasonable (while also making a profit)?



    Yes, the US is now the world's biggest producer of oil (yikes), another fact that is oblivious to most of the population.
    [​IMG]
     
  8. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kinda, but not really? He did release 160m barrels of oil in 2022, but that's only 12 days worth of production in the US. That's not to say there wasn't a short term decrease in price due to the oil flooding the market, but more impactful is the fact that the US went from 5m barrels a day in 2010 to 13m barrels a day last month.

    So, what do you think is more impactful here? A one time release of 160m barrels, or an 8m barrels per day increase?
     
    dapip repped this.
  9. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    [​IMG]

    The trend picked up when Obama/Biden came in. Absolutely, the increased production has decreased the power of OPEC.

    I think Biden using the reserves was the manifestation of OPECs diminished role. The fact the he was willing to, and broke OPEC’s will, was a big moment. This is compared to previous Presidents kissing the Saudi ring to please play nice. Like this:
    upload_2024-9-26_11-41-16.jpeg
     
    dapip repped this.
  10. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What do y’all think of Media Matters? I checked them out a few times but feel like they post items that shade the truth, like they’re trying to trick the reader.

    A better post here would have agreed with you here…instead of saying “Biden did this”* he could have written “contrary to Republicans’ constant lying about energy policy….”

    *Irony unavoidable
     
  11. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Again, coincidence. Technically the rapid increase started under the Bush administration in 2008 and it just exploded from that point on. However, that had nothing to do with anything the Bush administration did. That just happened to be when the oil extraction companies implemented the technology to extract shale oil and the Shale Revolution was triggered.

    There was a slow down in 2016 when Trump convinced the Saudis to increase their production on the promise of blocking Iranian oil, but, instead, Trump almost immediately granted waivers for Iranian oil. This resulted in oil prices plummeting below the extraction cost for US producers and drove a number into bankruptcy.

    However, the Saudis saw the waivers for Iranian oil, cut production, and then, in 2017/18 US production started back up and it continued at a steady rate with the exception of Covid when it dropped because global demand was basically zero.

    [​IMG]
     
    celito repped this.
  12. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Media Matters has a very hard Democratic bias. They were created back in 2004 as a way to "fact check" the lies being produced by Conservative media.
     
    The Jitty Slitter repped this.
  13. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    I guess I wasn’t explicit. I agree, the production is largely apolitical.

    This difference, for me, is that Biden was willing to use this new situation to the US’ advantage, whereas Trump did to his perceived immediate personal advantage.
     
    dapip repped this.
  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3589 Yoshou, Sep 26, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2024
    Perhaps, but, again, that is all a function of the US becoming largely oil independent due to the shale revolution and Canada's oil sand pits. If it weren't for the US oil production almost tripling in the last 15 years, Biden's actions wouldn't have had the impact they did.

    At it's peak in 2006, the US was importing 10b barrels of oil a day, that's now down to 6.5b barrels, with about 1b being from OPEC and the rest being Canada.

    https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRIMUS2&f=M

    If you look at net imports, the US is basically importing by choice from countries outside of Canada.

    https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRNTUS2&f=M

    This gives the US an absolute ton of power on the oil market and it has largely made OPEC toothless, but that isn't because of Biden, it's because of the freedom that the US's oil production has given any administration.
     
    dapip repped this.
  15. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Biden didn't kill it like some of the Democrat base would have liked.

    He helped by not getting in their way.
     
  16. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Biden couldn't have killed it. Not in 4 years. Well, short of doing what Trump did and convinced the Saudis to ramp up OPEC+ production, which just kills it in the US. The oil companies have enough licenses to extract oil from federal lands for several decades and A LOT of the US's oil production is from private property now.
     
    celito repped this.
  17. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Well, yeah but that's not good news in many other ways :(
     
    Deadtigers and Mike03 repped this.
  18. Mike03

    Mike03 Member

    Jun 7, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    It became necessary to destroy the environment to save it.
     
  19. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Soooo… Major Pete.

     
  20. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    Olympia
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    France

    That explains the timing of the latest GOP smear against him. Yesterday they started spreading the lie that he is HIV+. He isn't - it's another lie from those ********ing liars.

    When I read it yesterday I couldn't think of any specific reason why they would do that, other than just their usual attempt to portray all gay men as sexually promiscuous people with AIDS, like they did in the past. But why now and why go after Pete? This settlement of the port strike provides a reason for it - throw out something negative in hopes of drowning out the positive.
     
  21. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    bigredfutbol repped this.
  22. MattR

    MattR Member+

    Jun 14, 2003
    Reston
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because the basis of the Trumplican party is "be an a$$hole all the time and loudly."
     
  23. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Yeah: That was my thinking: given what they are . . . why would they NOT got that route.

    I'm surprised it took this long, actually.
     
    Sounders78 and song219 repped this.
  24. MattR

    MattR Member+

    Jun 14, 2003
    Reston
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3599 MattR, Oct 4, 2024 at 12:57 PM
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2024 at 1:14 PM
    Reconsidering, it is possible that this line of attack might turning the page on an even MORE corrupt and evil approach.... in that a long time ago, say 6th months or so - the Republicans wouldn't have put out something so immoral and yet easily refuted.

    I mean, how could you claim someone has a terrible disease when it could be easily refuted and show you to have no morals whatsoever?

    But now we have the eating of dogs and cats by immigrants and no amount of fact checking even matters anymore.
     
    Deadtigers and Dr. Wankler repped this.
  25. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    #3600 song219, Oct 4, 2024 at 1:05 PM
    Last edited: Oct 4, 2024 at 2:09 PM
    The people they are aiming this message to have no morals whatsoever so it doesn't matter if it is true. The purpose is to remind them that Butttigieg is LGBTQ+ and that Democrats are associated with him.
     
    Sounders78 repped this.

Share This Page