The Joe Biden Presidency II : He's too old...or something like that!

First….thanks for the respectful tone this time.

A couple of points…one…I was talking about secession of states from the union. You’re talking about sections of those states…basically trying to secede from those states. I never once envisioned a state voting to secede and that’s it. Nor have I ever implied anything remotely close to the naivety you seem to ascribe to me as to how a civil war 2 will go. I am well versed in the make up of the states…and the rural city divide. And unlike most liberals I interact frequently on their territory…..armed. I hunt and shoot with them frequently.

It is because of this knowledge that I push back when people like @Sounders78 jokingly say good riddance to the concept of a state seceding. Because the next civil war, if it comes*,will not only be fought in the territory and amongst the states that secede. It will be fought in every state in the union….as every state of the union…including places like NY, CA and NJ….have that same divide.

*and this is where I state again….we are way closer to a civil war than most people want to imagine. Ever live in Texas? I have. During my childhood over seas…I considered myself from Texas. Hell…it wasn’t until after I graduated that I somewhat considered calling myself from Arizona…and it wasn’t until late into my 30’s after spending longer than I had ever lived anywhere in Ohio, marrying an Ohio girl, and raising three kids there….that I started saying I was from Ohio.

But Texans are weird people. I’ve know lots of the, most of my life. (Note…I lived over seas due to the oil and gas industry…and a huge portion of the American expats I knew growing up were from Texas…and lived in Houston…in the same house…off and on for over a decade as a kid. )A larger portion than you want to imagine think of themselves as Texans first…Americans second. If there is any state that would do it,,,it would be Texas. Hell…Texas republicans openly discuss it and aren’t immediately branded as batshit lunatics…and they repeatedly get elected after discussing it as a serious option.

So…if it happens,…this is how it will start. The Texas legislature will vote to secede. Whomever is in charge of the White House will have a choice…allow them to do it…or try to keep them from doing it by force. And texas will be merely the first domino no matter which path the White House chooses.

Let them go…and an inta-Texan war breaks out. Other red states will immediately realize they have no hope of retaining conservative power without Texas’ 30 odd house seats…2 senators…and the electoral college votes. So they see the writing on the wall and follow suit.

Then it devolves into Yugoslavia…times 50.

 

No, they will not have a choice; Texas is rife with federal lands and property-- military bases, national parks and forests, billion dollar airplanes and 50 billion dollar ships. The administration won't have the legal right to cede all that stuff-- it will have to fight for it one way or another, same as Fort Sumter...

 

Trump went down to Georgia and ripped Kemp a new one yesterday...



Kemp's response doesn't sound like he's going to sit idly by...

My focus is on winning this November and saving our country from Kamala Harris and the Democrats - not engaging in petty personal insults, attacking fellow Republicans, or dwelling on the past.

You should do the same, Mr. President, and leave my family out of it. pic.twitter.com/m8y6CSuZKY

— Brian Kemp (@BrianKempGA) August 3, 2024

...I read this as "bro, I'm going to do whatever I can to get you elected, let's play nice and not sweat the past, and please, don't insult my wife anymore."

 

I agree completely. I also question whether Democrats have the stomach to do what must be done.

They’ll do something stupid like try to have the DoJ sue to stop it. And I have no idea how this scotus would vote.

 

he might not be out there with pom poms but he’ll surely do his part to get the guy who just lambasted him in his own backyard, re elected.

 

If Biden were in charge I'd agree. With Kamala nominally in charge, I have no idea. She's been pretty aggressive going after him in the campaign so maybe she'd have the stomach to do the right thing?

And let's be real, as a Texan, there's no way the nuts in Austin have the temerity to attempt such a stunt without someone backing them up. There ain't militia enough to do it. The National Guard? Do we think enough of them would disobey a federal order? I'm not convinced. There are more Democrats in Texas than most states. They won't sit idly by. They're plenty armed too.

No, this only happens after a series of previous actions allows those spineless cowards to try this and it'll be obvious enough for federal authorities to break it up beforehand if they're paying attention and have the will. We saw how Biden backed down meekly on immigration to Texas, even with this SC backing him. With Kamala and her own AG and related staff?

Outcome looks better than you think regarding my home state. Ffs, they had to lie and cheat and suppress the ***** out of the vote to hold on to Texas. Kamala and her DOJ get to work and clean it up, and neuter the SC, it's flipping.

 

Right so what is your actual plan to stop this. Talking about the Supreme Court is meaningless.

How do you save democracy from people trying to destroy it.

 

1) you pass legislation to expand the Supreme Court (you get the ability to do that by telling the American people if they vote for you and a congress that will do it…you will pass and sign it)
2)then you nominate and confirm 4 more justices who know the following is not unconstitutional
3)you pass laws and legislation that ensures anyone who is eligible to vote can easily vote. Things like states must have the same number of polling stations per capita in every district. Make Election Day a federal holiday.
4)pass legislation protecting people’s rights.
5)pass legislation that is overwhelmingly popular that will either never pass or will never stand up to the current courts reviews (national back ground checks…banning the private ownership of semi automatic firearms
6) continue to pass popular legislation that the majority of voters actually like
7)continue to get elected because you did 1-3.
8)watch these ********ers fade into oblivion and become a question on the 2075 AP US History exam where students have to examine the causes of the downfall of the GOP.

Edit….federal legislation to eliminate gerrymandering…not gonna renumber. Place it wherever

 

Part of the reason he beat Abrams was because by that single decision, it obscured all his other voter suppression tactics and country club Republican racism. Abrams did try though but the press wasn't interested in it.

 

I was born the year of the military coup in Ghana. I don't remember it but my parents do. Most Americans have never seen the other side midnight, so they tend to not believe what kind of evil their neighbor is capable of.

I don't think it will be same kind of dictatorship as experienced in Europe. It will be closer to Hungry maybe. The thing is, I believe if given the chance it will happen but it also won't be that strong but it will manage to last as long as Trump is alive. Even if for 10-15 years, it will set this country back decades. And people need to be aware of that and in the time of his rule, a lot of innocent people will die or face hell.

 

Yes but that is if we win. I say go to 13 justices now! To stop them recognizing a win.

 

Do you accomplish that by having Biden order seal team 6 to execute half a dozen republican house members? Because that’s the only way that happens.

 

I thought all you need is the Senate to agree?

 

Do I get to pick the six?

 

That looked like Trump pulling the leash, hard...bringing Kemp to heel. Reminding him that next time he needs them to find him some votes, they damn well better deliver. I heard those guys, Raffensperger and Kemp, last time, after Trump bullied them around, called them out, made them recount the votes, humiliated them over and over on twitter, etc., after all that, and knowing damn well that he was completely unfit to serve this country, yep, sure enough, they said they'd be supporting him anyway.

That's what I'm talking about. When Kemp says:

"My focus is on winning this November and saving our country from Kamala Harris and the Democrats..."

He's saying he stands ready to do his part to get Trump elected again, even though he knows damn well that Trump is a pig. That's what it means to be a Republican politician in 2024. No matter how personally demeaning and insulting he gets, you have to worship at the altar of Trump or end up sidelined like Cheney and Kinzinger or any other Republican with the balls to stand up to him. He might not be out there campaigning for him, but when he's asked in interviews and whatnot, he will be a party guy and say some stupid bullshit like "I support the party's nominee because we can't let Kamala win, etc.", which carries a lot of weight. Imagine if he came out and told people what he really thinks, but he won't, he's a coward.

BTW, I was very proud of Georgia in that last general election. I lived there for a number of years and get back from time to time to see my sister. Y'all were absolutely critical in saving the country in that last general election and I'm not sure you always get the credit you deserve for that. And Georgia is going to be absolutely critical again this year, so fingers crossed.

 

The number of justices is set by congress through legislation and signed into law like all other legislation. If you want to expand….its a bill and schoolhouse rock.

 

I'm trying to think of a bolder, braver, and more extraordinarily successful political decision than Biden's stepping aside. It's completely rearranged the chess board in one move.

 

If you're talking about a decision for good, probably LBJ bossing everyone around to get Civil Rights passed.

 

How do you go to to 13 with the Nutters in charge of the House?