The Joe Biden Presidency II : He's too old...or something like that!

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    Biden so old he tried to set up 2FA on his landline phone
     
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    That is not really the argument. It is that Biden not fighting for what is important to (some of) them turns them off.

    As an example, in 2000 in Florida, I voted for Nader. I was not going to vote for Bush, and Gore seemed too middle of the road/corporate for me, so I went with Nader. This is in the context of growing up with (political awareness of) Reagan and O'Neill, Bush and Desert Storm, Clinton and NAFTA and DADT and DOMA (and Lewinsky). They were all too far right for the lefty in me. So I went Nader. So I look at the youth today, who are questionable regarding Biden, and see how he is not fighting for LGBTQ+ rights which means he is too much to the middle.
     
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    I was a "Nader Trader". Swapped a vote for Nader in solid blue WA with a vote for Gore by a friend in TX.
     
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    He related to Mathias who played for the Giants or is Kiwanuka like Smith in Uganda?
     
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    So yes, you’re kind of making my point. The Nader votes paved the way for Bush II and his completely unnecessary war in Iraq (maybe the only thing I ever agreed with Trump on) which destabilized the entire Middle East.
    Gore was the inconvenient truth guy, sounding the alarm about the environment, too centrist for a critical group of lefties whose votes he absolutely needed.
    Same thing basically in 2016 with Hillary and Bernie, Hillary needed every single vote but she was too middle of the road/centrist for the progressive wing.
    Now it’s playing out again with Biden. It’s the more progressive lefties who would cut off their noses to spite their own faces.
    And it is important to me (to understand where young voters stand today) which was why I asked @Yoshou for any data on this.
    I’ve started looking for myself, so far I’ve only made it this far…
    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/for-biden-youth-vote-polling-is-a-warning-not-the-apocalypse/
    …but it’s fascinating (and disheartening) to see this same pattern (possibly) playing out again on the left…
    …hopefully the data tells us a different story.
     
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    I'm guessing the ladder. He was born in London.
     
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    There was a reason I gave my explanation for voting for Nader, and not just leaving it at the statement of.

    Post election.

    And they are kind of right.

    You really don't interact much with youths, do you?

    Now, I'm frustrated that the youth are saying they might not (or wont) vote for Biden. But I'm not calling them naive. What are they hearing about the future on abortion, or voting rights, or LGBTQ+ rights, or a hell of a lot of stuff that deals with minority rights which are getting stripped away? I can tell you that they don't think Biden has their back, and they are voicing their displeasure in the only way they can - by threatening not to vote. This is stuff I have heard, often, from 2020 to 2023 (I've been out of the classroom for the past year+). Most of them probably will vote for Biden, but they are voicing their displeasure.
     
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    Hopefully enough of them. I can understand that they might be disappointed with Biden but when the alternative is Trump, and possibly the end of democracy as we’ve known it (which I don’t think is an exaggeration given the big lie)…it’s hard for me to believe kids would support Trump just to teach us old lefties a lesson, I mean if they’re kids who identify with left leaning causes to begin with and not young MAGA youth.
     
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    Yeah. It isn’t good enough. Dems at least need to make more of a show about standing up for causes that our coalition really cares about.
     
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    There was also that Lieberman guy on the ticket to really connect with the youth
     
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    @Yoshou I stand corrected. I just looked up the stats for youth voted and you are right, I was using outdated data.

    To your point, I am thankful there are podcasts to help the young people but exactly how do you explain the complexity of the US system. Yes we are led by people way to old and most young people are far too poor to run themselves but there is a fundamental lack of understanding of civic and politics, if the most progressive president ever is deemed not progressive enough. I also am not of fan of leaving the public blameless. I paid attention to politics when. I was that age. They choose not, they want a seat at this table, they need to understand the consequences of their actions too. No on is denying them the freedom. To learn about civics. Shame their high school didn't but still they are grown enough to learn.
     
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    So the press can sell them out. Lets not forget that the people with the greatest ability to educate the masses have decided to say ******** it.
     
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    https://www.brookings.edu/articles/...oung-voters-that-the-biden-campaign-cant-fix/

    “The key to retaining the White House next year rests on the Democrats’ ability to mobilize and persuade voters under 45. With less than a year before the election, Democrats have an opportunity to win the large majorities from younger voters as they have done in the past and as they will need to do in the future. But that involves running a campaign that integrates the media, messages, and messengers that are most likely to engage younger voters. No matter what public polls or the campaign’s own surveys show right now, there’s not a moment to waste before they launch such an effort.”

    I thought Biden did a great job with the state of the union but his campaign is going to have to do a much better job of reaching and convincing younger voters, clearly.
     
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    Throwing the gays and Palestinians to the wayside isn’t helping. Although “the kids” don’t appreciate the full context, they ARE paying some attention.

    I’m not certain how much the UN ceasefire resolution will calm anyone down, but it is helpful in regards to this demographic.

    I’m hoping that Biden will announce a pro—LGBT+ platform, especially in the T part, as it is so egregiously under attack right now.
     
  21. taosjohn

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    There is a cogent point there though; the most progressive president ever is in fact not progressive enough.

    That is the retardant effect on society of a quarter century of a Republican party willing to insist to its base that the very things they hunger for are of the "extreme" left. The actual center point of society these days is actually to the left of Biden, and maybe quite a bit to the left.

    But you cannot correct that by taking your ball and going home. Anyone who has ever involved themselves in politics at any level has to have noticed that decisions are made by those who show up first and stay latest, no matter how boring or frustrating the middle part gets.

    If winning matters to you, you have to win the 4th quarter, you can't go home at halftime. You don't actually have to kiss frogs, but you will be consuming a lot of bad grilled cheese sandwiches and awful coffee, and shaking hands with some reptiles.
     
  22. Quakes05

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    Pew research (3/19/24) seems to show Trump with a slight edge with the youth vote…

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