The job market, inflation and tariffs

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  1. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That sucks for you and your friends, but overall there are a lot of different parts:
    Quits rate
    First time unemployment
    Continuing unemployment
    Sector unemployment
    Regional unemployment
    Unemployment by age
    And more...

    One of the concerning things that is showing up here, and in other countries, is younger (u25) continuing unemployment. That number is continuing to grow, and the longer somebody is unemployed, the less likely they are to return to work (or ever start work). I'm pointing this out because there are many components to unemployment.

    I realize this is probably no consolation to you and your friends.
     
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  2. Val

    Val Moderator
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    Arsenal
    Mar 12, 2004
    MD's Eastern Shore
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    Arsenal FC
    Food prices have increased this summer. A navel orange, which I used to get for a dollar is now $1.25. Same with green peppers. So, a 25% increase. I used to buy whatever apples were on sale for $2.99/pound. Now they are $3.49/pound on sale, an 18% increase. A 20 ounce bag of string beans increased from $5.99 to $6.49, or an 8% increase. I no longer buy Diet Coke, nor indulge my snack preferences of Goldfish or Cracked Pepper Triscuits, I now buy my cereal from Wal Mart, yet I still paid 30% more for groceries in August.

    Quality of produce is getting worse too. Supermarket, ultra-hybridized tomatoes don't usually bruise, but I spent a couple of minutes picking out acceptable tomatoes yesterday. I've walked away from more awful looking broccoli, lettuce and cucumbers more this past summer than I have in years.

    On the not-negative side, bread and supermarket bakery items prices are holding steady, (the big price increase was just after the pandemic) as is dairy (other than eggs, which are bumping up a bit.)
     
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  3. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    On another note, I've been trying to get a part-time job for most of this year to help pay the bills and groceries. The amount of times I get a call from somewhere I applied that wants me to have full-time availability but will only give me 12-15 hours is absurd.
     
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  4. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What's the time frame here? I ask as I've only been collecting receipts for the past 4 or 5 weeks and haven't seen any real change in prices, and it has been similar most of the year (when doing a spot check).

    What I have noticed is that this has been spotty for me, at least since the pandemic. Sometimes lemons are smaller, or limes are firmer. Or the Roma tomatoes are softer or smaller. But there is generally a good consistency over the years, both here in Boulder and when I was in Milwaukee. The biggest inconsistency has been with bell peppers, of all colors.

    I don't buy carbs much, but prices for me have been fairly consistent since I've been here in Boulder. In Milwaukee, between 2019 and 2022/3 there was a notable increase (I went from spending $50+/week to $125+/week).
     
  5. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I don't recall individual prices that much, but we used to spend about $130 twice a week pre-pandemic, and that went up to $150-$160 in 2024. This year is not unusual for us to hit $180-200, with the biggest culprit being the animal protein, in almost any shape. I'd agree that milk and eggs have stabilized compared to 2024, but any sort of beverage in a container has gone up significantly, most notoriously Orange Juice.

    Our strategy has shifted too: We stop at Aldi and then, we shop whatever we can't find at Publix, where we also search for BOGO deals. About once a month we go to Costco for beef, poultry and or fish in bulk.

    Disclaimer: We have two teens at home, and my wife insist on a lot of organic produce, so the increase in our expenditures might have multiple causes.
     
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  6. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Fewer jobs, much shitt!er…

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  7. raza_rebel

    raza_rebel Member+

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    Univ de Chile
    In the NoVa region, I noticed an increase in banana prices in the first half of the year. Initially, they jumped up around 5-10%. Right around the beginning of summer, they shot back up to 20-30%. This time last year, they were in the 45-50 cents/lb. Now they cost 60-65 cents/lb, more than organic bananas did a year ago*

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/t...er-continuation.2135063/page-69#post-43027386


    the graph here, shows an increase of 8-9% in the average US city over one year.
    https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/APU0000711211

    *I briefly lived in banana-growing regions in Latin America. They are literally side by side. The only thing that distinguishes organic from treated bananas are the blue bags that are used to protect them during shipping.
     
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  8. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Bananas are one of the items groceries don't make money on ("loss leaders") because people remember the price. Before I moved to New Orleans from NoVa we were down here visiting and I was shocked that bananas were more expensive here, even though you could literally see the banana boat from the parking lot. Anyway, the point is that the price we pay doesn't necessarily reflect what the store is paying.
     
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  9. Mike03

    Mike03 Member+

    Jun 7, 2006
    Seattle
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    https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-feds-gain-of-function-monetary-policy-ac0dc38a

    Scott Bessent calls out FOMC "Wealth Effect" policies that grew out of the GFC for our current economic predicament. This shit should have been retired in 2012 but ZIRP and QE are a hell of a drug

     
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  10. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    So, major revision in the employment numbers released by the BLS (can we remove the "L" yet?). Stock market doesn't seem to care as the major indices didn't budge a bit on this news. Not sure if numbers are made up and everyone knows it or its because its old data and doesn't really change what companies reported on in their second quarters.
     
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  11. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Couple things:
    1 - It kind of baked in the rate cut (and made the rate cut a possible 50 point cut)
    2 - It appears to be not unusual to have a downward revision:

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    But, like you said, it is also trailing by as much as a year (and considering that the recent revision was really a big drop, this confirms that prior one to be correct).
     
  12. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

    Chelsea
    Canada
    Apr 19, 2017
    Toronto, Ontario
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Looks like we might be scrapping the 100% tariffs we imposed on Chinese EV. China imposed counter-tariffs on our canola oil industry which is hurting Saskatchewan producers.

    We're about to be flooded with Chinese EVs that are cheaper and better than Tesla.
    • The price tag for a Chinese-made BYD Seagull, which has now surpassed Tesla as the world’s largest EV manufacturer, is around $13,800 — without the 100 per cent tariffs, or added costs like safety certification and shipping
    • At the moment, few EV models in Canada are available for less than $45,000.
    Could be an opportunity to get new factories build here - it came close to happen in Mexico.

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/business/aut...tent&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
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  13. The Jitty Slitter

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    Germany
    Jul 23, 2004
    Fascist Hellscape
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    Fashla is a joke at this point.
     
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  14. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Initial jobless claims. See that spike?

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  15. soccernutter

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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    And the breakdown of CPI categories.

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  16. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    So, naturally the Dow jumps 600 points. Bad news is good news on Wall Street. :laugh:
     
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  17. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    I’ll bet there is some insider info, maybe that SCOTUS is going to strike down the emergency declaration justifying the tariffs.
     
  18. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    Bad news means there is a better chance of future Fed rate cuts so bad news is actually good news.
     
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  19. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah. Bloomberg suggested the numbers that came out today mean 3 rates cuts this year.
     
  20. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Queens, NY
    Right. That's what I was getting at by the "bad news is good news" point. But surely now even a 75- point rate drop by year's end is fully factored into the market. From here on any more bad news is going to mean bad news for the S&P.
     
  21. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Good news for stocks and good news for the economy are two very different things.
     
  22. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    Yep but we were talking about the Dow so it's the news for the stocks they are concerned about.
     
  23. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
  24. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Mo er winning.

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  25. toad455

    toad455 Member+

    Nov 28, 2005
    MAGAs about to jump in and say "we're going to start our own soybean factories soon"!
     

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