The Inswinger: South By Southwest

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by NotAbbott, Mar 28, 2003.

  1. NotAbbott

    NotAbbott Member

    Oct 11, 1999
    My Own Little World
    Okay, I've been thinking about how Andy Williams affects our offense. Here's what I've come up with.

    In a nutshell, I think there's something to be made of Williams and Beasley being two of the most-fouled players in the league last year, and that's even before you get into free kicks with our height in the box.

    Later,
    COZ
     
  2. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Good stuff Coz. One question: how can Williams and Beasley both be 'league leading?' ;)
     
  3. NotAbbott

    NotAbbott Member

    Oct 11, 1999
    My Own Little World
    In the more general sense. I think Williams was first and Beasley was third.

    Later,
    COZ
     
  4. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078
    i have a better answer

    i believe williams led the league in being fouled the most number of times and beasley led the league in number of times a game he was fouled


    HA
     
  5. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    I am humbled in your presence. :)
     
  6. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078
    i'm not sure that's a good thing
     
  7. Fanaddict

    Fanaddict Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    streamwood IL USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The question will be whether either one can actually make enough decent passes for Razov and faria to score enough goals. Both have speed and dribbling ability but that doesn't mean much unless you get the perfect pass off.
     
  8. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078

    i don't know... i think it's more like coz said


    these guys are going to draw tons of fouls, meaning tons of free kicks on the attacking end... which means we just need one guy to serve it at boca and company


    but as it is, williams did have 15 assists last year... so i think the honus is more on beasley to start creating some goals than it is on williams
     
  9. NotAbbott

    NotAbbott Member

    Oct 11, 1999
    My Own Little World
    It also doesn't have to be so "perfect." My whole point is that by holding the ball, they'll pull defenders toward them, which should open up more room for getting a ball to a teammate without requiring such a perfect pass. Especially on the wings. They don't need to be quite so accurate, but they also can't lose possession.

    Later,
    COZ
     
  10. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's "onus."

    But I agree. Beasley either needs to settle in and produce as a winger/midfielder or else move to some other position (like dmid understudy to Armas).
     
  11. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    Nice to see Honus Wagner, Lew Beasley and Billy Williams are not forgotten.

    I don;t see what it has to do with goals, though.
     
  12. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078
    :rolleyes:


    well, at least liam knows what's going on... he's going to take over the team this year, ya know
     
  13. jjayg

    jjayg New Member

    May 9, 2002
    Rolling Ghettos, IL
    That sums it up pretty well. Holding possession until they can make a suitable pass will be very important but, honestly, Williams will be the one who can't afford to lose possession. At least we know Beasley has the skill and motivation to recover defensively if he loses possession. Hopefully, Williams will turn over a new leaf in this area (though we may not want to hold our breaths)
     
  14. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    :D

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    Hooray!
     
  15. jjayg

    jjayg New Member

    May 9, 2002
    Rolling Ghettos, IL
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    We be jammin'.
    "We're jammin', jammin',
    And I hope you like jammin', too"
     
  16. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    "Numbers 4 and 20 for your Chicago Fire..."
     
  17. redzin

    redzin New Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    I thought Bocengra was #4. Is he changing numbers again?
     
  18. VortexUnited

    VortexUnited New Member

    Dec 5, 2000
    Some people don't get pot humor....Kudos for an actual funny post Hala...
     
  19. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    Wow. It must be bizarro world day. George ISN'T getting upset.
     
  20. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    It's definetly not, that's what has me worried.
     
  21. Fanaddict

    Fanaddict Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    streamwood IL USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think a pass to produce a goal does have to be perfect. I've seen it time and time again Beasley or someone else makes a nice run down the wing avoids defenders and then makes a bad pss in the middle and nothing comes of his nice run. A pass that is just behind or in front of the target or a weak pass does not allow the teammate to one touch the ball, which is most of the time essential to scoring. I don't know too much about how Williams got his assists but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt until I do.
     
  22. NotAbbott

    NotAbbott Member

    Oct 11, 1999
    My Own Little World
    That's well and good that you think the pass that produces the goal has to be perfect, but if you'd just read what I wrote, I'm NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT PASS. I'm talking about the one before it. If DMB and/or Williams attract double teams, all they really have to do is push the ball out into space on the wings where someone can run on to it. THAT is the guy who has to make the entry pass for the goal.

    And the notion is that there's more space to push the ball into, because the defenders have collapsed on the ball. It's like driving the lane in basketball, then kicking it out for a three-pointer, except in this case, the guy on the wing still has to carry it up a bit, and it's not a shot, but a pass. Other than that, it's exactly the same. :)

    Besides, it you think DMB isn't the guy to make that cross, my argument is that much stronger, since he's one of the guys attracting the defense in the middle.

    Later,
    COZ
     
  23. Fanaddict

    Fanaddict Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    streamwood IL USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I understand what your saying but if Beasley or Williams are not the people to deliver that last "perfect" pass on the Fire, who on the team is capable of doing so? Beasley is not the kind of player to stay back and deliver a pass to someone else who will then center it. Beasley has the ability to beat double teams and penetrate deep . His problem has been in the passing and shooting area.
     
  24. NotAbbott

    NotAbbott Member

    Oct 11, 1999
    My Own Little World
    I give up.
     
  25. Fanaddict

    Fanaddict Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    streamwood IL USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unfortunately this is going to be the Fire's main problem this year we don't have that guy like a healthy Nowak who can penetrate draw defenders and make that last perfect pass to the forwards. I wonder if with armas back if we will have to play back and play the counter attacking type game. Maybe under Sarchran, Armas will become more of an offensive force or at least do what he does best, hover in the passing lanes, intercept the ball and shoot it down to a faria or razov.
     

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