The inevitable war with Venezuela

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  1. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    Socialism has been a spectacular failure there.
     
  2. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    Of course, sanctions had absolutely nothing to do with it
     
  3. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
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    Sanctions are a part of it as well as corruption, mismanagement, over reliance on oil, etc.
     
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  4. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Find me a socialist country whose leadership didn't just enrich themselves.

    The only one even remotely close is Cuba, and their record is NOT great, sanctions aside.
     
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  5. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    All of those except for the sanctions part apply to the US as well
     
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  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    He thinks Venezuela stole the Panama Canal? It's all I got.
     
  7. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    I can't imagine anybody in the military in a position to actually do any of this is taking these tweets seriously. Even if they were not the ramblings of an obvious lunatic (which they are), what self-respecting admiral or general or whatever would even acknowledge an order via tweet?
     
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  8. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    Venezuela’s corruption, oil dependence and mismanagement were deeply entrenched under US-friendly governments for decades. The system only became an international “problem” after a leader took power who challenged the primacy of US interests over domestic control of resources.

    The same pattern appears in Cuba: the United States had no issue supporting Batista’s dictatorship while it served US corporate interests and only discovered its moral compass after Castro nationalized assets and removed US leverage. The issue was never dictatorship itself but it was whose interests came first.

    Still, unilateral collective punishment is just plain cruel that caused mass casualties over the decades. If socialism is so bad, let it collapse on its own without sanctions ensuring that it does
     
  9. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Friday
     
  10. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    The premise is flawed because it conflates “socialist states” with “socialist policies.” Scandinavian countries adopted some of the most extensive socialist policies in the world with high progressive taxation, universal healthcare, free education, strong unions and public ownership in key sectors without their leadership enriching themselves. They consistently rank among the least corrupt countries globally, with high transparency and no oligarch class tied to political power.

    By contrast, in democracies like the United States, politicians routinely enrich themselves through lobbying, regulatory capture and revolving-door careers, the Western legal term for corruption.

    Lastly, It’s striking that countries implementing extensive socialist policies within Europe are treated as normal democracies, while similar resource-sovereignty projects in Latin America or Africa are met with sanctions and isolation. The difference isn’t ideology so much as power and hierarchy: wealthy, Western-aligned states are allowed policy autonomy, while post-colonial states that challenge external control over resources face punishment.
     
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  11. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

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    Honestly, what the fvck are you doing in Canada? Settle down here in Venezuela and make a living as a left-wing cheerleader just like Eva Golinger. Or maybe you're just a typical champagne socialist, condemning the evils of capitalism from the comfort of a developed country.
     
  12. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    According to US elites, media and those who have no clue - Canada is a socialist country...go figure.

    Just like that, you missed the point I was making about conflating “socialist states” with “socialist policies"
     
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  13. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

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    I always laugh whenever the US Democratic Party is referred to as a left-wing party when in reality they are very much a centre-right party, with many observers noting that in any European country they would be perceived as boring moderates.
     
  14. Robert Borden

    Robert Borden Member+

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    Venezuela has order its navy to escort vessels in defiance of Trump's blockade. It's unknown if those vessels are under the "so-called" sanctions or if the US navy will fire first and start this war.

    There were unconfirmed reports that an oil tanker with a Russian Flag went through the blockade, unlikely that it would be stopped.
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  15. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    We'll just throw some Russia Russia Russia flags on our ships and waltz right through
     
  16. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    It was a massive success until America bribed some of the military and worked with opposition groups. We just decided to send the army to the Middle East instead.

    I understand there's a bunch of propaganda out there about Socialisms failures. Work through it Quakes! China? They've been a success because they haven't had to face the type of sanctions Venezuela has, and they've been large enough to create a dependence on them from the World Economy. I've said it before and I'll say it again the internal contradictions of Capitalism should lead us to Socialism. Heck we aren't even practicing Capitalism anymore!!! It's straight up techno-feudalism/Corporatism because Capitalism can't compete against a Socialized Economy.

    So really you aren't picking between Capitalism and Socialism. You are picking between Techno-Feudalism or Socialism. One is clearly better for the majority of all people. Capitalism was very good for the Boomers, but every generation after them has seen declining benefits.

    I appreciate the positive call out of your last post and I hope this message is well received.
     
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  17. BVBFNM

    BVBFNM Member+

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    Well, what are you waiting for, then? Ask the Chinese government if they have a vacancy for a mouthpiece.
     
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  18. Sufjan Guzan

    Sufjan Guzan Member+

    Feb 13, 2016
    That's not really the takeaway from what I'm saying at all.
     
  19. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    Borrowing from a quote (from an article Knave just posted in another thread) by the DNC Chair Ken Martin, “Here’s our North Star: does this help us win?”

    Socialism does not. It's a sure-fire loser in this country all day long.
     
  20. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    You continue to conflate policy with terms. I hope that one day you will learn the difference.
     
  21. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
    birthplace of MLS
    For the sake of the point I made, the difference is completely irrelevant.

    All you need you know is, when it comes to American politics and things like actually winning important elections, socialism = bad.

    It's not complicated.
     
  22. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Near the mountains.
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    There are "socialist" policies continuously pointed out to you that Democrats run on and win on. You refuse to recognize that. You conflate policies with the term.
     
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  23. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

    Oct 1, 2005
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    Geez I feel sorry for your poor mom.
     
  24. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Out of bounds, dude.
     
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  25. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    He's stuck in the fifties. Denigrating women is his thing.
     

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