Pre-match: The inevitable war with Iran

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  1. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

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    Not immediately gratifying enough. Trump doesn't really like building or developing but likes the recognition of having his name on big things.
     
  2. usscouse

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    Iran appreciates Trump.

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  3. Iranian Monitor

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    Good clips. I will leave aside the comments from the AIPAC fellow (the organization is devoted to propaganda and lies, even if it might -- as in this clip -- sometimes find the truth useful for its purposes). But Roger Cohen, while coming to these issues from a different angle than I would, is at least an experienced journalist who has traveled extensively, including in Iran. The guy was treated the way anyone who actually visits Iran and sees things for himself reports on what he has seen, never mind he is an award winning Jewish journalist who has worked for such publications as the Wall Street Journal and, more recently, the NY Times. People one of the posters here takes after would have called him as "IRI agent" the same way they lodge such silly accusations against anyone who doesn't participate in the mass propaganda orgy against truth they like to encourage about Iran.

    Anyway, here is from the Wikipedia entry about Roger Cohen and Iran:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Cohen
    More recently, he this the article he wrote after the assassination of General Soleimani, criticizing the Trump administration policies against Iran:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/08/opinion/trump-iran.html
     
  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    How many bottles of shiraz for that Shiraz Hotel architect? I could've done better with an Etch A Sketch.
     
  5. The Devil's Architect

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    Looks like a Trump Casino
     
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  6. Iranian Monitor

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    #1656 Iranian Monitor, May 14, 2020
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    Don't worry: you will have plenty of other good choices in Shiraz, This one only ranks #9 in trip advisors list for best places to stay in Shiraz, but you will be comfortable enough staying in the Chamran hotel as well:

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    Or you can stay at any of the ones which trip advisor recommends more highly:
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    Zandiyeh Hotel, Shiraz

    My favorite from a purely architectural perspective (but it has nice amenities too) would be this one, which ranks #5 among hotels in Shiraz by trip advisor:
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    Karimkhan Hotel, Shiraz

    But if you are like me, and prefer smaller, boutique hotels, here is one of several in Shiraz that you might like. This one ranks only #14 among specialty hotels in Shiraz by trip adviser, but I think it is a good representative of the older, traditional homes and guesthouses, which are used for these smaller boutique hotels.

    https://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_R...hant_Boutique_Hotel-Shiraz_Fars_Province.html
    House of Elephant Boutique Hotel
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  7. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    I'll take that 72 Virgins Suite, garcon. And make it snappy. I need some shuteye before I get up to make some arms deals with the Mullahs.
     
  8. Iranian Monitor

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    Well, I am getting a sense of your taste. And while there won't be any 'arms deals' you can negotiate and no "72 Virgins Suites", you shouldn't be hasty in choosing the hotel or suite you like either. You can find a lot of other choices if you just spend enough time to look around. Overall, I would still recommend one of the traditional hotels in Shiraz or elsewhere in Iran. They are really magical and offer a very unique experience. Staying at hotels which are built on the premises of older guesthouses dating several centuries is really not something you can experience in the US.

    To be sure, the US has some nice hotels that I have liked as well, more along my taste than the typical hotel chains the US is famous for. I don't remember the names of some that I enjoyed a lot, but there was one in Sedona (AZ) which I liked because they didn't use any 'modern amenities". It had a 'Fred Flintstones" feel to it despite being very comfortable -- and was doubly neat because they would put your name in a wood carved sign in the cabin entrance, making it feel like you the place is yours. Too bad I don't remember the name of the hotel I have in mind, or some of the very nice (but smaller) hotels I have stayed in California (or some of the nice Bed+Breakfast places in New England, including in MA, that I have stayed ). I enjoyed them more than the kind of hotels Trump likes in places like Las Vegas, or even the typical "Marriott" and similarly large hotel chains, even though (one of) the Marriotts in Palm Springs California is a favorite among Persians -- and does bring some good memories for me too.
     
  9. Iranian Monitor

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    Even with much of Iran's historic heritage destroyed by a long list of foreign invaders (of which I will speak a bit), what remains in Iran is still one of the world's greatest collection of sites (from architectural wonders to the deep contrast in its natural terrain), sounds (music), tastes (food) and senses (poetry) one can find any place on earth. And -- as I have shown in the videos I have posted from Iran's youngsters and their accomplishments in academic competitions such as the various academic Olympiads (where they have earned more Gold medals for Iran than all of the countries in ME combined -- or all of the countries in Africa, Latin America, and the Indian subcontinent combined) -- Iran is also a place where the sciences are finding their foothold once again. A place that played a huge role in advancing learning and the sciences in the past, but which had fallen sleep in more recent times before the Iranian revolution.

    Unlike the uncultured buffoons (ancestors of only recently clothed people) who like to threaten Iran with destruction and worse, anyone with the slightest sense of culture who has visited Iran, is captivated by it. That includes people who hail from political backgrounds which would mark them otherwise as Iran's enemies.

    As for the foreign invaders who tried to destroy Iran, long before US/Israel began such dreams, here are a few that came closest (while many such as the Romans never even came close);

    1- Alexander the "not so great": in pure spite and out of jealousy, with the visible manifestation of the superiority of Persian culture undeniable in the majesty, architecture, and libraries of the ancient world's greatest city, he burnt down "Persepolis" (Parsa). But even burning it down, Persepolis endured.


    2- The Arabs: while the Arabs didn't actually destroy as much as some imagine or claim, they were still uncultured Bedouins who had managed to overrun one of the greatest empires of their time, namely the Sassanian empire, and found its great wealth and achievements now at their disposal. The Persian civilized these Arabs, accounted for much (almost all) that later became known as "Arab" contributions to science, philosophy and learning in the middle ages, and eventually sidelined the Arabs and had them rule of their desert homelands in the Arabian peninsula. From then on, during the Golden Age of Islam under the Abbasid caliphate, the Arab empire had become an Irano-Islamic empire under huge Persian influence (and direction).


    Many in the region chose to associate themselves with this great civilization which was superior to those of its contemporaries, by not only becoming Muslim but Arab as well, but in Iran, the "Islamic" civilization was accepted because it now represented more Persian influences than those of the once Bedouin Arab tribes that had conquered Iran. But almost unique among the nations that the Arabs conquered (who only only became Muslim, but Arab too -- e.g., the Egyptians, the Syrians, the people of modern day Iraq, or ancient Mesopotamia, etc), the Persians preserved their separate identity. And with the Persian renaissance, the Persian language and culture became the dominant culture of all of the Islamic regimes that would ensue. Including those which then fought Iran for centuries, such as the Ottomans in Anatolia or the Mughals in India. They had all become Persianate societies regardless.


    3- The Mongols: the Mongols, much like Trump and company, has no use for real culture or civilization. In fact, they hated any manifestations of cultured life which struck in deep contrast with their nomadic origins and practices. No where did the Mongols destroy as much as in Iran. But these Mongols, eventually, were tamed by the very culture they had hated so much. So much so that the Ilkhanate of Iran itself became eventually one of the places where Persian culture once again resurfaced with its great vigor and energy.

    Even if Iran is nuked, as I have heard so many Americans and pro Israeli figures advocate, Iran will not be destroyed. Iran will endure. And if you are curious enough and want to know why, I can explain that too.
     
  10. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Iranian virgins the best virgins as they say in Riyadh.

    How's the pinot noir in Shiraz?
     
  11. Iranian Monitor

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    They don't say much about Iran in Riyadh anymore. And it didn't take much for Iran to shut them up either.

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    On this subject, you should perhaps listen to the video posted by Mani earlier.
     
  12. +PL+

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    Even a demoralized crappy military of Islamic regime of Iran can take over Saudis in a heartbeat. Without foreign assistant, Saudis have no chance against Iran.

    Most of luxury hotels in Iran are owned by people related to regime. 90-95 percent of Iranians can not afford to stay even for one night in any 3 star hotels in Iran. If someone is telling you that they have stayed in such hotels you can assume they are rich or related to regime. Either way, they have no idea that majority of Iranians are living in desperate condition. According to their own regime more than 60 percent of Iranians live below poverty line.

    Current Iranian regime is a backward Theocratic superstitious Republic. For example watch this.

    This is called "Rotating Imam". The pilgrims rotated on the floor and ask for something.



    This one is even worse. They call themselves dogs of Imam Hussain. Barking and asking for favors from a holy shrine!



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    People who support Islamic regime of Iran are traitors to Iranian culture and nation. They should know, regimes come and go and only Iranian true culture and people remain, so stay with people and don't be a tool of anti Iranian regime of Ayatollahs if you can. "Gheyrat dashte bash va Irani bash na chomaghe regime saffake akhoondi to sar hamvatane bad bakhtet"
     
  13. Iranian Monitor

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    Less spam would be nice, but that is what is to be expected from some. Unauthenticated videos and pictures from unknown sources or sources affiliated to groups such as the MEK.

    In the meantime, unlike luxury hotels in many developing countries, where the hotels are owned by foreign multi-nationals and cater mainly to foreign tourists, the majority of people who stay in Iran's hotels are Iranians. I guess we can thank the sanctions on Iran for it.

    Of course, in light of the Covid-19 pandemic, there isn't all that much left right now of Iran's domestic tourism industry. But here is one article from before the pandemic:
    https://financialtribune.com/articl...stic-tourism-breaks-record-in-norouz-holidays
    Iran Domestic Tourism Breaks Record in Norouz Holidays
    As for poverty in Iran, this report by the BBC covers how the US maximum pressure have hit Iran's most vulnerable communities.
     
  14. Mani

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    #1664 Mani, May 15, 2020
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    I put him on my ignore list years ago. I only see his posts when others quote him. He’s just looking for attention from whoever he can get it from. Last I checked, he was banned on PFDC for life, for spamming. He was also banned here for spamming but some mod for some reason unbanned him last year. That was all before he came up with his new persona mimicking MEK and posting MEK crap to get attention.
     
  15. Mani

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    #1665 Mani, May 15, 2020
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    Most Americans either don’t understand or are apathetic about the consequences of their government’s actions in other countries and the lasting trauma it has on generations of people in those countries.

    My uncle, a 21 year old honor student, was shot dead at the Tehran University by the Shah’s puppet regime while taking part in a peaceful protest against Richard Nixon’s visit to Iran, to legitimize the illegal coup government, right after the American coup of 1953. I was born decades after his death.Yet every single day, I witnessed the agony of my grandmother and how she just never forgot her lost son after all those years and talked about him every hour of every day until she passed away with a broken heart. Time never healed her wounds.

    A generation’s hopes of democracy and national sovereignty were crushed. Tens of thousands of bright young Iranians were tortured and killed by the American puppet regime. And to this day, those crimes are still not forgotten in Iran, most Iranians have a long memory.



    Now before anyone says “what about the current regime” doing this and that to Iranians, let me remind you that the Islamic Republic, and all that comes with it, is a fruit of American meddling in Iran’s affairs and the 1953 Coup. If you hadn’t staged a coup in Iran, if the Shah had remained a constitutional monarch, there wouldn’t be a revolution or an Islamic Republic to begin with, and Iran today would be a secular democracy.
     
  16. Iranian Monitor

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    I don't know anything about him -- and I frankly prefer to keep it that way. He isn't worth my time. If I don't have him on ignore is because I use even some of his 'spam' (along with the more creative form of the same by some others) to do my part (limited or ineffective as it might be) to educate people better about Iran. That is what drives me. Otherwise, if I wanted to affect the politics in Iran, or even American policy on Iran, I wouldn't be investing my time and energy in forums like Bigsoccer! For me, at least, (and I would be quite interested to learn if I have underestimated Bigsoccer all along:), this forum isn't the place where the fate of Iran is decided!
     
  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    I've learned that Iran has cultural sites. Many hotels where you can get the 72 Virgins Suite. Oh and a Supreme Leader who's been in office for 30 years. Well I knew the last one. You've never mentioned that.
     
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  18. LastBoyscout

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    Why does this thread look like the website of an Iranian travel agency?
     
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  19. +PL+

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    It is obvious the facts about identity of regime supporters are reaching out to people. I take that as a compliment. They are trying hard to label all opponents of the regime as spammers and MEK terrorists. :D

    A fanatic supporter of regime set a holy Jewish site on fire in Iran. The regime supporters were talking about human rights in Iran.:laugh: What a joke! Iranian regime is a criminal organization.

    Jewish holy site of Esther & Mordechai in Iran is desecrated in 'premeditated' arson attack on 72nd anniversary of the founding of Israel

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ran-desecrated-premeditated-arson-attack.html
     
  20. Iranian Monitor

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    For many reasons, including:
    1- the propaganda against Iran, which is ultimately aimed at making any war with Iran appear like a war against some place that doesn't really exist. If the US does manage to destroy Iran, people should know the actual country that was destroyed and not confuse it with the country that it leaves behind from the process.
    2- the level of development of a country, especially one that has been under sanctions and has largely developed itself, is relevant to understanding its more general abilities (and weaknesses) in case of war.
    3- the POTUS has threatened to not just 'obliterate Iran', or bring about the 'official end of Iran', but had specifically even mentioned targeting Iran's cultural sites. Regardless he had to backtrack on it: he obviously feels the threat touches vulnerable nerve in Iran.
    ....
     
  21. Iranian Monitor

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    I am disappointed as I had assumed you were following my comments a lot more carefully than you apparently are:) Otherwise, I have given my view about Iran's Supreme Leader too. Including just a few pages back on this very thread.
     
  22. Iranian Monitor

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    Difference between actual facts, propaganda spin, outrageous lies, and sensationalist reports about Iran. All evident if anyone bothered to look at the actual facts regarding the attempted but foiled arson against the Tomb of Ester and Mordechai:

    This is a US funded propaganda network, a branch of Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty:
    No Major Destruction In Attack On Holy Jewish Site In Iran, US Condemns
    https://en.radiofarda.com/a/no-majo...ewish-site-in-iran-us-condemns-/30615532.html

    Compare that to ridiculous headlines in Israeli papers and the sensationalist nonsense in tabloids such as the "Daily Mail". For instance, the headline from the Jerusalem Post before they began walking back on the nonsense a bit:
    https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/h...d-mordechai-set-ablaze-in-iran-reports-628165
    Holy Jewish site of Esther and Mordechai set ablaze in Iran - reports

    Here is a fact that Jews who have visited Iran have commented on as well: Iran is one of the very few countries on earth that doesn't even feel the need to put Jewish synagogues (and there quite a few of them in Iran) under armed guard. No need because such incidents are so rare in Iran. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this attempted amateur attack on a historic site was ultimately out by one of the 'usual suspects'.

    p.s.
    Google-Earth Iran can be your friend here too: go visit not just this site, but various other places in Iran. See for yourself.
     
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  23. Mani

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    #1673 Mani, May 16, 2020
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    A short documentary by The Guardian about the life of a couple in Tehran during the Coronavirus lockdown.




    P.S. If you’re wondering about the background music in that documentary. It’s a classic masterpiece from 1940s called “Nowruz Waltz”. It’s basically the Persian New Year equivalent of Jingle Bells.

     
  24. +PL+

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    #1674 +PL+, May 16, 2020
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    Here BBC/Persian is reporting about this issue on "News Station" section. Scroll down and I am sure Iranians can read Persian texts. I explain for the rest.

    It reported that a person has been previously caught on camera and let go. Apparently he came back to finish what he intended to do. It also mentioned members of Iranian para military or so called "Basiji" forces of Hamedan city had threatened to destroy this site a while ago. So it is not hard to imagine few of these thugs planning for this atrocity.

    https://www.bbc.com/persian/live/institutional-52689303


    ایرنا، خبرگزاری رسمی ایران، گزارشی در این باره منتشر ولی کمی بعد آن را حذف کرد.

    ایرنا نوشت در روز تاسیس اسرائیل به عنوان یک کشور مستقل، فردی "برای انجام یک سری اقدامات" قصد ورود به آرامگاه را داشته، اما "موفق نشده است به مقبره استر و مردخای وارد شود. بر اساس اطلاعات کسب شده، دوربین های واقع در محل چهره این فرد را ثبت کرده و در حال حاضر عوامل انتظامی پیگیر دستگیری وی هستند و تا زمان دستگیر نشدن او نمی توان درباره علل، انگیزه و هویت فرد اطلاعاتی ارائه کرد."

    سالگرد تشکیل اسرائیل از طرف فلسطینیان و طرفداران حقوق آنها به عنوان "روز نکبت" نامگذاری شده و در این روز برای یادبود فلسطینیان تبعیدشده و یادآوری نقض حقوق آنها از طرف دولت اسرائیل برنامه‌هایی برگزار می‌شود.

    چند سال پیش عده‌ای از بسیجیان شهر همدان تهدید به تخریب مقبره استر و مردخای کردند.

    در کتاب استر، در عهد عتیق، استر زنی یهودی توصیف شده که همسر خشایارشا، پادشاه هخامنشی بوده و باعث نجات یهودیان از قتل عام می‌شود.
     
  25. Mani

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    Here is a video of Tomb of Esther from today. No visible damage. The local prosecutor and police are looking for the person who attempted to vandalize it since it’s a protected heritage site.

     
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