Pre-match: The inevitable war with Iran

B-2's on the move and heading for Guam.

The Plane and the Bomb That Could Draw America Into a War With Iran - Newsweek

"American B-2 Spirit bombers, equipped with one of the world's heaviest non-nuclear bombs, are thought to be the only aircraft-and-bomb pairing able to destroy a target like the nuclear plant at Fordow."

B-2 Bombers Launch Westward, as Trump Weighs Striking Iran

 

US and coalition forces have built up a massive presence at Saudi Arabia's Prince Sultan Air Base as war with Iran looms.

At least 20 new aerial refueling tankers have arrived at the airbase since early this month, along with nearly 40 new F-15/F-16 fighters. pic.twitter.com/5cmdnVddSv

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) June 21, 2025

US and coalition forces have built up a massive presence at Saudi Arabia's Prince Sultan Air Base as war with Iran looms.
At least 20 new aerial refueling tankers have arrived at the airbase since early this month, along with nearly 40 new F-15/F-16 fighters

Does this mean Saudi Arabia might get involved

I don't see Iran simply letting USA attack them from Saudi Arabia. Which means they could retaliate towards Saudi Arabia

 

Great analysis. I think this all needs to be seen under the lens of Pax Americana falling apart. Power is being restructured and international consensus is shifting. The snow globe has been shaken.

 

And yet there's no other option than a political one, except accepting a perpetual war. Either Israeli society persists in its unbridled extermination drive, but then it morally perishes on its feet, and in fact prepares for its terminal collapse. Or it realizes that the only solution is a binational, totally egalitarian state – as is often the case, it is the apparent utopia that is true realism.

 

Here's a very simple solution: the Ayatollah regime in Iran will collapse, the country will become a democracy, and they will agree to give up their nuclear program (or reduce their uranium enrichment to 5%).

 

The question you appear to be asking is, what choice does Israel have but the problem is they keep ON making poor choices and they've been doing it for years.

Nothing to do with what? They had something to do with supporting Hamas, or so we're told, as otherwise why are they being bombed now?

 

The only big problem with that is, that the wishful thinking way it's being done, by creating chaos and fracturing of Iran, doesnot take in account that Iran isnot country of interest to the west only, as it was when the Shah was shoved in to protect the western oil interests in Iran.
Now Iran is a vial link for the security of China.
I've been told several times by @Yoshou how easy it is to squeeze China out of being supplied of necesary goods by way of blocking the searoutes.
China has been developing cross continent routes to counter that and Iran is of supreme importance for that strategic goal.
The Pacific war could be fought in Iran as a prelude to that.
If a peaceful transition to a non-theocratic government takes place, with whom the Chinese can continue their strategic goals, then China will sit at the sideline and wait.
On the other hand if both the USA and Israel aim to create a failed state, then be sure to see the Chinese come in to back up the ayatollahs, in order to protect their own security and a necesary tool in the prelude of annexing Taiwan.

 

Now you’re getting it.

This is just as true of Israel’s enemies. They’re all morally bankrupt on their own terms as well.

 

This analyst says this is the first long range fire war in history.

The israelis are saying that the rate of Iranian missiles launched is decreasing, and they attest this to shortage of ballistic missiles and their strikes on Iranian launchers.

Iran’s communications are saying that their strategy was to use their less advanced missiles to strike targets but also to force the US and israel to deploy and deplete their THAAD and Arrow systems. They say they have been maintaining their more advanced missiles, including their solid fuel systems that can be fired without significant preparation, as a strategic reserve.

They used some of the more advanced ones recently, which the iDF say they intercepted, but the Iranians seem to think there’s plenty more where that came from.

It’s a war of attrition and it’s unclear who has the resources and will to maintain this for longer.

 

Stop responding to this troll.
His only mojo is provoking reactions from posters to be able to call them names.
Ignoring germerica has worked. Let's do the same with this troll.

 

The King David Hotel

The two sides have been doing this non stop since the end of WW II, and most of the 3000 years before then except when one empire controlled them all (like the ottomans, the Byzantines, the Romans, the Macedonians, etc.) I just roll my eyes when one side or the other asserts they have the right start date for the moral calculations of it all.

This thing won’t end until simultaneously

1. Israel has its Nelson Mandela
2. Palestine has its Nelson Mandela
3. Both Mandelas stay alive and aren’t thwarted by malevolent outside actors.

Im using Mandela as the best example I can think of someone who balanced acknowledging the past, without being a prisoner of it. Guys like MLK and Lincoln got killed before they could become examples.

 

If the US backs Israel, it’s Israel that will win the war of attrition. Hell, if the US had fully backed Ukraine, and quickly, that war would already be over. Nobody can beat the US in a war of industrial attrition, even without noting that except for China, all of the other top 10 economies in the world are allies.

 

Decolonisation has often happened without Mandelas, you know. Mandelas don’t come around often and you seem to think that you need two to arrive at the same time to resolve this. If the israelis keep with their mindset that the Palestinians cannot be free to have their own state, the Palestinians might find a Mugabe instead of two Mandelas.

 

“If” is doing a lot of legwork there.

The idea that Trump will be happy to carry on funding the israelis for no discernible benefit to himself is for the birds.

And those THAADS don’t grow on trees. The interceptor missiles apparently cost 2 million a pop and take time and a lot of skill to make. You think the company that makes them is gonna rustle up another factory immediately, when Trump could end the war in a couple of weeks?

 

Israel - I'm being told that your Nelson Mandela secured eternal peace during Trump 1.0.

Frisch School in Paramus represent!

 

I don’t like the way that outsiders see this wholly as a colonization issue, because Jews living in Jerusalem is NOTHING like Boers in Rhodesia, or Russians in the Lithuania and Kazakhstan, or the French in Algeria, or the US in the Philippines, etc.

My opinion is “it’s the decolonization, stupid” is too oversimplified to help the world toward a solution. I’m surprised to see you as a Palestinian put forth that idea.

 

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To the extent we can figure out Trump, he seems to be motivated by exercising power, by being, and being seen as, the prime mover of world events.

If he feels he’s not the main topic of conversation, sure, he’ll talk some shit about pulling back American support. But he’ll never do it. He’ll make pro Israeli Americans beg, and then give them what they want in the most self aggrandizing way imaginable.

 

There you go. Hence there's a political option -the only viable in fact- though absolutely not likely to happen with the current men in charge, we'll agree on that. Not meaning that it will never happen, with other men.
One man is sometimes enough to bring back politics in a colonial conflict in order to end it, but he can only come from the colonial power involved in the war. Think about De Gaulle ending the Algerian war in 1962 (who didn't get killed, though he almost was).

 

Please ignore the new troll on the block.

 

As long as Iran has no assurance the US won't get involved, it has to keep the bulk of its missiles in reserve (in case of war with the US) and "manage" how much firepower it uses against the Israelis to, among other things, not provoke or hasten American involvement.
https://www.euronews.com/2025/06/21/irans-advanced-missile-arsenal-remains-largely-untapped
Iran's advanced missile arsenal remains largely untapped

 

He claims to have a masters in history.
Only problem with that is that, unlike scientific masters, these studies only reflect the pov of the society it's embedded in.

 

Is the UK labour leader already warming up the Brits to go after the 82 yo ayatollah?

 

You and I have typed the same keywords into Google because I read that article today also.