Pre-match: The inevitable war with Iran

You don't get it, FSF, THIS will be the time when it all works out completely according to the neo-cons' fever dreams.

 

That's right: the danger that weighs most on Israel is actually that of self-destruction. But it's a long terme danger that will exist even long after Netanyahu is gone.

Here's a texte from Jean-François Bayart, professor of political science at the university of Geneve:

https://blogs.mediapart.fr/jean-fra...d-anonner-le-droit-inalienable-de-se-defendre

"The time will come when Israel will look in the mirror and see only the grimacing face of the utopia it claimed to embody. A generation of its children, perhaps two, have been sullied by the atrocities they committed in Gaza and the West Bank.

Their guilt will act like poison in the depths of Israeli society. Sixty thousand deaths, mostly civilians, including some 15,000 children, will weigh on the conscience of the country and of all Jews around the world, even if they reject Netanyahu's policies and say, "Not in our name." Like the Holocaust and the Armenian genocide, the evils of colonization and the slave trade continue to haunt the memory of the nations that were guilty of them. Israel's technology will be powerless, just as it was powerless against the Hamas killers and the militias that rushed into the breach it had opened.

Moreover, the health and environmental risks that the annihilation of Gaza poses to the Israeli population itself are the great unspoken aspect of Netanyahu's policy. Asbestos dust, bacteria, and viruses don't stop at IDF checkpoints. And it will be difficult to grow the Riviera gardens promised by the businessmen of the Trump clan on the irremediably polluted lands of the cursed enclave.

Finally, nothing will have been resolved. Politically, ethnic cleansing and genocides, however accomplished, are also eternal pollutants. The United States and Canada are facing the resurgence of their indigenous peoples a century after their extermination, Turkey is struggling to extricate itself from the Armenians, France is suffering from the Algerian War like an amputated limb and carries it in its electoral flesh to this day. In Palestine, the eye will be in the grave and will watch Cain."

 

Russia also said that she won't attack Ukraine.
What's your point?

 

The script is pretty easy to predict at this point.

Five years from now, many of the Iran war cheerleaders will be surprised that killing a few 100K of their civilians did not change the country overnight. And then 15-20 years from now, some of those same cheerleaders will pretend they were always against the war.

 

Wasn't there a third choice? Not massively expanding the settlements in the occupied territories, subjugating the Palestinians there and in Gaza with intolerable conditions in the first place? That's driven a lot of the anti-Israeli settlement in the region and further afield.

This is where we are when we think that history started on 7th October 2023 or some other date convenient for a particular narrative.

To be fair, they're not the only ones revising history to make their current leadership feel better about themselves... to wit...

Dude, you're already a 'failed state'.

You became one when the mad mullahs took over and created a system where the current people in charge could decide whether someone else who wanted to run things, could stand against them.

Having said that I agree with you that it's less likely to happen now than it was before but that's not by design... it's because the people against you are dumb as a rock.

 

He will be hailed as an Israeli hero say some BS Likudniks. The rest of the world? Meh, not so much.

 

Nope. The point of the link is that Putin is lying and people still trust his word.
If Iran wanted nuclear power than why they rich uranium to 60% and not only to 5%?
And the Ukraine point is that people should stop believing people to Putin.

Anway, I love the way you ignored the other links.

 

Or you get attacked..... the thing that just happened

 

It was evident back then too
So all I have to do now is wait a year for you to say well toilet paper 3 was a failure

It was not a surprise attack Trump gave Iran 60 days and while he is moron Israelis aren't

The same way True Promise 2 managed?

The point of this attack is to send back Iran decades in terms of weapons capability. According to them Iran was on their way to building 8000 ballistic missiles. Now its the hard part for you: trying to mock the numbers while complaining of how deep Mossad was infiltrated

Israel took Iran by surprise but those were decoys.... makes sense. Are the Mossad AI too?

Maybe the Mullahs can turn back the Internet and we could see how fake all those attacks actually are

500 missiles at once will do much more damage than 50 missiles for 10 days straight. Iran firing less missiles is not good news for Iran

So NOW USA can do damage? Can you please tell IM that

Ah the classic just wait and see. I am sure that the 43543543 wrong prediction in a row will come out true

 

Like Ukraine, Middle East states should be as prepared as possible when the regional bully decides to attack them to save the skin of Dear Leader.

 

You sure about that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

Like I say, it depends when we think 'history' started and why we're asking the, (entirely rhetorical), question in the first place.

 

I'm sorry I didn't make it clear that Putin is lying ,I thought that was something everyone already knew.

You're right. Regarding China, I brought the wrong article that was supposed to show they support Iran's nuclear program.

 

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— Israeli Air Force (@IAFsite) June 21, 2025

More AI and fake news from Israel

 

I have to say that if you were old enough to have been conscious for the lead-up to the Iraq war, this is all wryly hilarious. I see we are back to the whole "this will takes days or weeks, not months" nonsense.

 

Look what happened after the attack:

The attack prompted the British government to impose widely unpopular restrictions on the civil liberties of Jews in Palestine. These measures included random personal searches, random searches of homes, military curfews, roadblocks, and mass arrests. The actions further eroded British public support for the Mandate system and alienated the Jewish populace, aligning with Begin's original intent

 

Like how every general believes with more time and more men, they can win any battle.

 

this all remains to be seen, of course. I'm curious about the "reformist camp." presumably you're referring to Iranians who would prefer not to live under the oppressive thumb of the regime. people who have been willing to take a stand when others have been disappeared, or for basic human rights, or for greater freedoms, the regime has put them down, hard. so Iranians as I understand it live in desperate fear of the regime and its henchman, nobody dares to speak out in dissent lest they get strung up in the public square or receive a public flogging.

being a reformist in Iran, as I understand it, is a dangerous business. Nobody dares to speak out for fear of being disappeared. and when there have been uprisings, they've been violently crushed by the regime.

so, maybe the reformists exist in significant numbers and maybe they hold a much more positive vision for Iran's future, maybe they are women and young people desperate for freedom and basic human rights? Or maybe everyone now backs the regime, it's hard for outsiders to know, so thank you for your perspective.

maybe, as you say, reformists are now marginalized, or they've dwindled to small numbers and most Iranians now support team mullah and their oppressive, hateful ways?

and, as we've seen, meddling in regime change (by the west) is a farce. so, perhaps the will of the Iranians will be to maintain the status quo...which would be unfortunate and missing perhaps the best opportunity for Iran to change course.

but this campaign (by Israel) as I see it is less about toppling the mullahs and more about setting back their ability to harass and attack Israel. that is already happening, and I expect to a significant degree, has already been accomplished.

Iran has been exposed as weak, Israel has (so far at least) been able to deal one crushing blow after another...and if the Iranian threat is seriously diminished, that in and of itself has to be seen as a positive development.

again, what comes next for Iranians is for you all to decide.

 

A decade late, how is that working out for them. Their economy is in ruins, they’ve lost their proxy in Syria, their proxies in Hezbollah and Hamas are severely degraded, and enemy fighters are bombing the crap out of them…

 

No, because time travel isn’t currently viable.

 

Iran had nothing to do with that.

I think you forgot what thread you’re in maybe?

 

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rkopwwv4ge