Pre-match: The inevitable war with Iran

Yes, a more "normal" govt in Tehran is preferred. Guess I'm skeptical that Israel bombs forcing it will do the trick.

And who will be next on Bibi's stay-out-of-jail hit list?

 

I believe Pakistan will be next (from bibi mouth a few years ago) or will it be Turkey?

 

I think you can call out Israel's actions vis a vis the Palestinians, and have sympathy for the plight of the Palestinian's, which I do, while at the same time seeing this in the context of the broader regional conflict which has now come to a head. This has always been Iran vs Israel...and, as the title of this thread implies, war always seemed inevitable, and, if Bibi can topple this regime, good riddance.

 

if Bibi can remove the Iranian threat, my guess is that he will be hailed as a national hero and any domestic legal issues will vanish into thin air.

 

Google didn't give me a more recent poll. This one is from March and at that time the majority of Israelis had Bibi fatigue.

A majority of Israelis say that they do not trust the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, according to a poll aired Friday on Channel 12, with most of the public also opposed to policy on the hostages and disapproving of the budget passed this week.

Asked if they trust the current Netanyahu government, 70% of respondents said they do not, compared to 27% who said they do. Even among coalition voters, just 51% said they trust the government, compared to 36% who said they do not.

When asked if they support a deal to return all the hostages in return for an end to the war, 69% said they do, compared with 21% who said they oppose it and 10% who said they don’t know. Among coalition voters, 54% said they support a deal, compared to 32% who oppose it. Among opposition voters, 86% said they support the deal, compared with 9% who said they do not.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-...nt-including-almost-half-of-coalition-voters/

 

most Israelis also support confronting Iran directly and recognize Iran as the single greatest threat to their survival.

 

Iran & Bibi

 

Nope. Even if he manages to do that, it won't change the fact that he is primarily responsible for the Black Saturday, is destroying the economy, is willing to sell the country to the ultra-Orthodox just to keep his seat, and the disgraceful conduct of this government in handling the home front. and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

 

I guess Iran's strikes from one year ago were a failure

Shocking I know

 

Be patient. He’s searching the internet to try to find someone who shared that fake image,before he posted it here, that doesn’t have a handle like “gasthejews1488”.

 

Anyone seen anything to confirm that Iran is seeking a ceasefire with US involvement?

 

???
First of all, the Iranians are shia muslims, who in contrast to sunni value holy sites. Crudely they are the roman catholics of islam and the sunny the protestants (donot have holy like persons, except for Mohammed).
So the notion Iran gonna nuke Israel and obliterate the most sacred places of islam is beyond stupid.
How is Pakistan next...they alreay (thanks to us Dutch and the US government) already got nukes. And sunni don't care about holy sites, so they have no problem if bibi attacks them, to obliterate Israel.

You think it is likely that when Israel attacks Turkey, Iran doesnot see a chance to join the fight?

 

Dunno about Iranians in the USA (arenot these deported yet by the ICE-nazi hordes?), but the anti ayatollah Iranians overhere donot believe this all will overturn the regime, on the contrary fear it will raise support with casualties rising.

 

My browser blocks it for efforts to track etc.

 

Ehhhh what?
Sunni's do have holy sites what are you on about?

 

All I was saying was Bibi viewing both as threats to Israel. He talked about Pakistan being next after Iran in an interview while babbling about the Ottoman empire resurrection.

Bottom line is he's going to keep going with this chain of actions for self-preservation...until he drops dead (even then)

To me, it's evident he made a fool of Trump who will have no choice but to eventually join the war. Israel doesn't stand a chance on its own.

 

And Iran can always say "we need nukes because of Israel aggression" An endless cycle.

 

An Iran, where ayatollahs don't run the country, is a better Iran.
However regime changes from the outside in the ME havenot turned out that good, especially in Iran. The last one gave rise to the Ayatollah regime.

 

even if they end up with another oppressive regime, their ability to inflict damage on their neighbors, specifically Israel, will have been significantly degraded, hopefully.

 

True, but that’s just the other side of the coin, namely, that no nation is treated by the world the way Israel is treated.

Israel is sui generis in the world, which is why comparisons and analogies almost never lead to greater insight.

 

An insight from a conversation with a local Iranian.

They’ve seen the results of foreign meddling. First, Mohammad Reza Shah, whose father Reza Shah was installed by the British in 1921, was restored by a CIA/MI6 coup in 1953 after overthrowing the democratically elected Prime Minister Mosaddegh who nationalized Iran’s oil.

When the Shah proved too oppressive, his US backed dictatorship fueled the 1979 revolution, which brought Khomeini, worse than the Shah to power.

Every Western intervention in their internal politics has led to a more oppressive leader. Therefore, they have no confidence that another western-backed regime change will be better

This cycle explains why many Iranians, despite criticizing the Islamic regime, distrust foreign intervention. They fear a repeat of history - worst Libya or Syria where regime change brought chaos.

Netanyahu’s aggression doesn’t weaken the Islamic Republic, it empowers hardliners, sabotages reformers and sets back hopes for peaceful change.

Western policymakers ignore this history and keep repeating the same mistakes because they fundamentally misunderstand Iran.

No, that person doesn't currently live in Iran but the Iranian community here in North York (Toronto) is huge and I think it's a valid perspective to be aware of

 

I've been reading that Israel cannot destroy Iran's nuclear program since, as we know, it's buried deep underground. This isn't a surprise to Israel. So what is going on?