Pre-match: The inevitable war with Iran

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  1. Umar

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    Like I said, I’ve eaten things that had more intelligence than you and that other dude.
     
  2. waitforit

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    But do those things dream of a Muslim Caliphate?

    I design and build robots you wear shitty wigs. You must be furious having to abide by some colonizer rules. THE colonizer country I might add
    You must be very smart indeed.
     
  3. WhiteRM

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    As I said, your projection is perfect.
    I have another question: if you care so much about the Palestinian people, then why don't you take them all to your country?
     
  4. waitforit

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    Do you mean this?



    That was probably Iron Dome trying to intercept a ballistic missile.The chances of that happening are almost 0. But when their target is gone they self destruct
     
  5. Deadtigers

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    As long as Israel is at war, it can't have elections. Bibi opened a new front to stay in power.
     
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  6. Deadtigers

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    So it is was shameful for Hamas to attack Israel unprovoked but ok for Israel to be the aggressor in this instance. I just want to be clear what are standards for when Israel is wrong to attack or defend, if there are any?
     
  7. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    "Psst - can I get Loomer's digits?"

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    Netanyahu has been married three times and has been involved in multiple extramarital affairs.
     
  8. yasik19

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    Sorry, but in what sense was Israel unprovoked? You have multiple rogue terror organizations sponsored by one single country ... When houthis send ballistic missile towards Israel and they got those missiles from Iran, who's the aggressor? Or having millions of your citizens almost daily seek shelter is somehow ok?
     
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  9. The Irish Rover

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    Iron Dome works against rockets, artillery shells and drones. Using it against ballistic missiles is the equivalent of a militiaman's spray-and-pray with an AK-47; you get lucky 0.0001% of the time but Iron Dome missiles are a damn sight more expensive than AK-47 bullets.

    David's Sling system works against tactical or short-range ballistic missiles like the Russian Iskander at ranges of 500km, which is not really what we're talking about here (China's Dong Feng might be different). For genuine ballistic missiles like the ones Iran has, it's THAAD or the Arrow. Both perform well but no system can work 100% of the time against saturation attacks, which is where Hezbollah was supposed to come in.

    With them decimated, Iran has stepped up missile production capacity dramatically to compensate with a target of 300 a month, achieved according to Netanyahu (so it's likely 200), which is likely another reason for things coming to a head now. Iran has used less than 300 of those and lost maybe a couple of hundred in the Spiderweb-type drone strikes on Thursday night/Friday morning.

    That's a fair amount from an arsenal of about 3,000, which in itself raises the question of how long Iran can keep up this pace of strikes up but the real bottleneck is the number of TEL (transporter-erector launchers) they still have. Some of those have been taken out and with Iran's military and IRGC deeply penetrated, many more will be in the coming days and with enough of them gone, Iran's ability to strike Israel like it did last night will atrophy. The question is whether Israel can hit enough of them fast enough.
     
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  10. WhiteRM

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    I'm sorry, are you claiming that a country which funds terrorism around the world, including the Houthis, militias in Iraq, Hezbollah, and Hamas — and is rapidly advancing toward acquiring nuclear weapons which it intends to use against the West, while repeatedly declaring its desire to destroy Israel, is "not a provocation"?
     
  11. The Irish Rover

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    "Trivial matters only matter to trivial minds"

    YMMV
     
  12. Deadtigers

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    When America funded the Afghan Rebels, USSR didn't respond by fighting the US no more than the US did when the USSR funded Ho Chi Minh and the Viet-Cong. But I guess funding rebels is OK for everyone but Iran. And Israel is always the victim, never the aggressor. Thanks for clarifying your stance.
     
  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Long-time pattern of untrustworthiness. Your trust may vary.
     
  14. waitforit

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    I mean it is ok for Iran to fund them. But don't cry and act shocked when they are punished for it
     
  15. WhiteRM

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    Thank you for proving that you are just another average Anti-Semitic clown.
     
  16. Deadtigers

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    My main problem is the inconsistent logic. Israel was attacked by Hamas so indiscriminate killing of Palestinians is justified. But Israel can attack Iran against the wishes of its supporter country and that is also justified because stuff. I am trying to find a point or action where Israel supporters will say that was bad. But there doesn't seem to be one.
     
  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

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    Now I'm feeling much more confident in peace!

    Trump promises 'PEACE, soon'

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    President Donald Trump promised peace between Israel and Iran, in a post on his social networking site Truth Social.

    “Iran and Israel should make a deal, and will make a deal, just like I got India and Pakistan to make,” he said, referring to a U.S. brokered ceasefire that the two nations struck in May following a short conflict.

    “Likewise, we will have PEACE, soon, between Israel and Iran!” he added. “Many calls and meetings now taking place.”

    His post comes as Israel ramps up its bombardment of Tehran, and as Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian threatened a “more severe and decisive” response to Israeli bombing.

    “MAKE THE MIDDLE EAST GREAT AGAIN,” Trump said in the post.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/world/middle-east/live-blog/iran-israel-attacks-live-updates-rcna213113
     
  18. waitforit

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    But you are aware you are using the same inconsistent logic, right?

    Many people here - including you I guess? - said that that October 7 was not unprovoked and didn't come out of nowhere. You can literally say the same about Israel attacking Iran

    As for Israel no one can deny that Iran and 2 of its proxies caused them a lot ache. So now with Russia preoccupied, Assad gone, Iran not playing ball with their nuclear programme it is their best chance to set Iran back maaaany years

    There is no world where Iran would have left Israel alone no matter what
     
  19. WhiteRM

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    Could you show us your point where is terror organization and the country that supports them is a good thing?

    Or are you just saying that you Anti-Semitic clown that got nothing else to offer?
     
  20. psnotyours

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    There’s no justification for any death..
     
  21. rslfanboy

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    I think you are being unfair to @Deadtigers here. He isn’t making any excuse for 7/10.

    I’m much more upset about Israel’s settler expansion and the new forays into Syria than this episode with Iran.

    But can we all please dispense of the “your side doesn’t care about the killing and targeting of innocent civilians” bullshit? That’s just ********ing offensive to anyone and everyone, and to the discourse itself.
     
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  22. yasik19

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    By that logic, you can ask why Iran is not attacking US, since US provides a lot of weapons used by Israel. You would have more of an honest point if you accused both sides by being the aggressor. I never claimed impartiality, unlike you, and many others, who can only muster accusations against a single entity. I might be biased, but at least I have the decency and the courage to admit as such. If you think Israel is the aggressor here, you are either lying to yourself or ignoring some very very obvious factors. Either way, it's a dishonest response .
     
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  23. DoyleG

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  24. Deadtigers

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    I don't remember saying unprovoked. I focused on how Bibi funded Hamas and stated in conversations and speeches that have been recorded, their growth allowed him to keep the PLO weak and so Hamas was a good thing.

    The thing is, Iran agreed to the Nuclear monitoring under Obama. They were complying by those standards until Trump took power the first time and abandoned it all. So there was Iran playing nice on the global stage. We have no proof that Iran would not have left Israel alone, but we do have proof that Israel plans on not living Iran alone. This is just factual. One side attacked another, with actual military strike.
     

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