Pre-match: The inevitable war with Iran

When did Iran attack the US?

 

I think he meant the US embassy in Iran at the time?

 

I assumed he meant that Iran attacked US forces but the poster can explain his own words.

 

At least with words

 

The immediate example I had in mind when posting that was the ballistic missile attack on US forces in Iraq following the killing of Suleimani, but there are the embassy bombings in Beirut in 1983 which the Iranians were allegedly behind, and the attack on the US embassy in Tehran in 1979.

I do take your point though, the ballistic missile attacks were retaliatory responses by the Iranians.

 

So an attack on US forces overseas, allegations of involvement in an attack on a US embassy and a siege of an embassy by students.

 

I wasn’t directly making the point that Iran attacked USA. (Someone else made that point and I’m ambivalent on it.)

I was making the point that Vietnam didn’t attack France, USA and China.

 

December 8th, 1941. Hardly anyone noticed tho.

 

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

 

If Iran attacked the US, Vietnam attacked China.

 

If Red Cloud would have had a Sherman Tank, you'd all be speaking different languages

 

Or an F-16.

 

Do you know what an AH-1Z would have done to wagon trains?

 

Too much maintenance. Just use the below on any of their ships attempting to dock. Do you know how slow those sailing ships were?

 

If Mohammad Mosaddegh wasn't overthrown this thread wouldn't have exisited.

 

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202411171565

I have no idea what to think of this

So either this is sour grapes on Iran behalf or they really believe S-400 is not that great

 

June 21, 1998 in Lyon....

 

My memory is fuzzy. Which country is Lyon in

 

Im not entirely convinced of this. The history of US-Iran relations is fraught with mistrust owing to Mossadeq overthrow, hostage taking of American diplomats, US support of Iraq in the war, the bombing of US marine barracks in Beirut and Khobar towers etc etc

Despite all that, countries generally overcome such history if they deem it in their strategic interest to realign relations. Thats just the nature of realpolitik.

At the very heart of the current conflict is a geostrategic competition for regional influence between Iran and US. Israel is a complicating factor (but not decisive) in the bad relations.

Mossadeq was fiercely independent, and was not afraid to piss off Western powers in pursuit of Iranian interests (like the nationalisation of oil).
If he pursued that policy, had he remained in power, Im not convinced the nature of the relationship between Iran and the US would have been all THAT different.

 

Why? Why? Why did you bring back the memories!

 

Ceasefire between Israel and Hezbollah, which does seem like Israel comes out on top by having its demands met, and delinking the Northern front from Gaza conflict.

We'll see if it holds, but strategically this will be a win for Israel, especially if they can keep up their bombardment of Gaza without having to worry about rocket fire from Hezbollah, and if they convince the citizens of the North to return to their homes.