Pre-match: The inevitable war with Iran

It's OK to dislike Bibi and the crazies in the neighborhood. As the "only democracy" in the region and a receiver of billions of our government cheese, he sure has been going authoritarian bananas & doing WTF he can to cling to power. The majority of Israelis despise him. And we know he wants a Trump win and regularly disses Democrats so he sucks in that respect too.

Defending yourself as you always have or taking out Hamas/Hezbollah, people get that. Using the opportunity to obliterate entire neighborhoods (or Gaza itself) of the lands around you is a bit much and counter-prpductive IMO.

 

I mean there is a concept of proportionality especially with a US-financed military of Israel's size and firepower. Just like nobody can defend Hamas/Hezbollah, how does one defend this obliteration?

The surgeon, who has previously worked in other conflict zones, said it was "unlike anything that I've ever seen before".

He recalled: "It was a complete shock. The moment you cross the border into Gaza it's as if an atomic bomb has dropped.

"All you see is rubble for miles around. You're driving for 30 minutes through this landscape, there's hardly anybody around, just a few armed looters.

"And then you come to the central area of Gaza where you've got a million and a half people just crammed together in a very, very small area, with so-called tents on every piece of land available.

Surgeon says Gaza 'like an atomic bomb has dropped' https://t.co/jv7dLBwZ1a

— BBC News (World) (@BBCWorld) October 4, 2024

 

I wonder if mods can merge the two threads that exists. Seems like there is a lot of overlap between them of what is being discussed

 

Yes, something like "The Ongoing, Neverending, Middle East Conflictapalooza Now With the Possibility of Nukes" Becauze our great great great grandkids will be posting about the same stuff on BigSoccer V. 150.0

 

Gas is $2.62 per US gallon where I lived before July, $6.69 a US gallon where I live now.

 

israel switching back to its usual tactics of murdering doctors and firefighters:

Lebanon hospitals close as Israeli strikes hit health facilities https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c30lj9m300vo

 

There were Hamas command tunnels underneath, akin to Umbrella's HIVE Facility.

 

Gas is $3 in central Ohio today.

 

I blame Jose Biden! Seriously wth, it's hovering at around $5 in CA.

of course, we all need to get off gas, yesterday (I have a hybrid these days but that's not good enough, I'll never buy a damn Tesla though, fvck that guy)...Trump just called climate change a scam, but tell that to the people of North Carolina, many of whom will vote for that guy again anyway...

...but man, we need to wake up.

Editorial: Mr. Trump, climate change is no ‘scam’ (timesunion.com)

 

"Jose Biden"

 

What does the price of gas in California costing twice what it costs in New York have to do with Biden?

And where do you live? It's $3.25 in Modesto.

 

It was a joke.

Bay Area.

 

There is no other choice but to bomb medical facilities.

Today near Princeton:

 

After French President Emmanuel Macron called for a cease-fire in both Lebanon and Gaza and a ban of weapon shipments to Israel, the French company Total Energies assets might have been the target of Israeli airstrikes. Residential areas are being hit hard as well

Lessons from South Africa apartheid - it's unwise to run out of friends...

Unconfirmed reports suggest airstrike occurred near a Total gas station on Airport Road in Beirut. TotalEnergies, a French multinational, operates these stations. Earlier, Israeli PM Netanyahu condemned French President Macron for backing an arms embargo on Israel. https://t.co/jwkDnn5Bh4 pic.twitter.com/PNPflJej79

— Drop Site (@DropSiteNews) October 5, 2024

 

As Bibi is old and a criminal who will eventually pay (Yahweh willing) i think in his twisted brain he wants to go down as a "great Israeli leader" by bombing the F out of Israel's enemies and doesn't care whatsoever about any of the collateral damage. He & his ilk have a very colonialist, European view of the region.

 

I think bibi is just doing an extreme version of the deterrence strategy of Israel, which simply is to neighbouring people that Israel doesnot care about whether you are accomplish/active against Israel or not. The deterrence message simply is "we will strike enemies where they are and don't give shit about anybody else that can/will be killed or wounded".
It is supposed to put fear into the populations of the countries around them, whether they can do anything or nothing about the militants/rulers in charge of attacks against Israel.
Wonder how this strategy is going to work out in the long term...amongst the polulations around them on their borders/in the region, but also in the world.
This shows the effects on the Dutch population:
https://www.dutchnews.nl/2024/10/almost-half-the-dutch-want-a-more-critical-approach-to-israel/

 

Yes, it's a short-term sugar high. The next Israeli leader will have to clean up Bibi's mess and of course millions are becoming radicalized against Israel. He'll be long gone while the effects linger for decades.

 

https://nltimes.nl/2024/10/06/dutch-pm-schoof-calls-iranian-president-condemns-attack-israel

 

It'll create resentment in the populace who will take up arms against those who killed their families and destroyed their homes. Thus justifying Bibi's actions because of course they're born terrorists and to suggest otherwise is antisemitic.

 

How to say you know nothing about Lebanon without saying you know nothing about Lebanon

 

Potentially interesting tidbit in the Hezbollah interim/acting leader's speech last night.

Naem Qassem responded to an unspecified "those who criticize Iran" for letting the "resistance" down by asking what they have done to support it.

That Qassem felt the need to make this statement suggests frustration is building within the Lebanese Shia community, maybe even in Hezbollah itself, with Iran's failure to provide all-in support and with the leadership for having built their entire strategy around that support

 

From the Naval Postgraduate School's Afshon Ostrovar

Israel’s response will tell us a lot about the deterrent effect of Iran’s missile barrage. If Israel targets only military sites in a limited attack, it’d give Iran an out. But if Israel hits oil or nuclear sites, it’ll be clear that Iran’s missile threat hasn’t fazed them
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