Pre-match: The inevitable war with Iran

Remind me where the shelters where for the people of Gaza? Or when Israel is bombing its neoghbors? Are those women and children less equal than Israelis? Like bro they are bombing people without shelter and you say aww but poor them. They extended a war led by a war criminal and now the people have to hide. The people leading Israel, Hamas and Hezvollah care more about their pride and ideology than the people in their care. I don't know how we change that but the only people i will ever feel sorry for are the Palestinians, everyone else needs to have a hard think about the status of things.

 

Irans strategy and doctrine has been changed since then. After that conflict and then a couple of decades later with the overthrow of Saddam Hussein with such ease, the IRGC realise they can not compete with US/NATO conventionally, and has adopted a wide variety of assymetrical means and tactics. Including naval warfare.

I believe Iran can shut down the strait of Hormuz. A part of this is also the fact that the US and Britain have not really been able to defeat the Houthis in the red sea, those attacks keep coming. Off course the red sea is not entirely shut, but they have still been relatively effective. Now obviously Iran is on a much different order of magnitude than the Houthis.

Not gonna go into great detail, but Im gonna refer you to the Millennium challenge 2002.

 

They haven't though, correct?

Hitting nuclear facilities and/or whatever they've been doing in Gaza and Beirut. That would not go unanswered and you'd have to expect a proportional response. With Iran proving that they can hit anywhere in Israel, it would be unwise to cross those lines - if Netanyahu actually cares about the well-being of his people

Just like any other nations who are being told by the west what they should or shouldn't be doing. The difference is that a different set of standards is being applied by the West to Israel which affects their international support. This new multipolar world means that more nations will be vocal about this situation (as we've seen at the ICJ and UN) and increasingly will feel empowered to act - theses are dangerous times for Israel to be multiplying their enemies.

The interest of the many (Israelis) should weight more than the interest of the few (Netanyahu's government and political survival)

Perhaps the Netanyahu regime should start taking decisions that are in their best interest, not only his own. While Iran did fire those rockets, you can't fully ignore the decisions that led to this and the motivations behind them.

No - is killing tens of thousands of Palestinian women & children while levelling both Gaza and residential areas of Beirut supposed to be normal in contrast? That's the double standard that the rest of the world has grown tired of, they don't believe in Israel "exceptionalism"

Iran retaliated and if the damage was as insignificant as people are trying to imply - it's not worth escalating at this point. Expecting Iran to not retaliate is unrealistic. However, Netanyahu "wants" that war and wants the Americans to get dragged into this - his decision making has little to do with what's best for his people.

 

If that's been a success, how come the Houthi manage to chase ships towards Cape Good Hope?

 

Is this the longest pre-match thread ever?

 

Who can also get their hands on advance tech... Times have indeed changed

 

Because of "escalation management"

 

1. There is literally nothing aside from diplomatic courtesy that will ever stop the US military from utilizing it's in theatre military forces as it sees fit, regardless of what sabre rattling is issued for plausible deniability for domestic political purposes.
   
   
2. Aircraft Carriers / Submarine Launch Cruise Missiles / Drones / Intercontinental Bombers, supported by airborne refueling, and their standoff missiles, can touch every square centimeter of Iran, should the US military wish to extend that diplomatic courtesy, noted above.

If anything, the House of Saud and the Gulf Emiratis stand to gain from a humbled Iran

 

This, by and large

The various and sundry Middle Eastern conflicts have been a part of the American political consciousness since the 1960's and the most impact it has had on the US has been the occassional terrorist incident and price of oil - deep down, our callousness towards the Palestinians in Gaza is the result of this. We will simply deal, politically and economically, with the victors, if any...

 

Houthi attacks on commercial vessels are a relatively new thing but I expect it won’t last long. Houthis are another Iran proxy militia, their ability to keep this up seems unlikely. These militias seem hell bent on picking a fight but they are defenseless against aerial assault so it’s senseless and futile. Unfortunately lots of innocents are getting killed as well and the people in Yemen, Lebanon, Gaza, WB are suffering terribly.

 

Iirc the houthi fouhgt/are still fighting? a ten year war with the Jemen government AND Saoudi- Arabia with all their by the USA supplied tech superior stuff than the houthi have and yet they're launching stuff hiiting Israel etc.
I don't think people who fought superior armed and vastly bigger enemies and defeat them are easy pickings.
The Brits and Americans were bragging about how they bombed away 25-30% of the houthi stock and launch capabilities and yet after that here we are, ships going around Africa instead of heading to Suez.
We havenot heared of a houthi ship attack for some time now, but that might be the case of no ships to target.

 

Two Israeli soldiers have been killed from a drone strike from Iraq. Iraq front is increasingly being more involved. This is bad.

If I have to guess, Im thinking Israel will strike on October 7th (for symbolism), and strike targets in Iraq on the way to striking targets in Iran.

 

I get your opinion but there has been precedents before where a nation had denied the U.S. access to its bases for launching military operations - thinking about Turkey, a NATO ally, during the war against Iraq which forced the U.S. to adjust its logistics. Not saying that the nations from the article would do the same but it's not impossible either.

 

and it could be the incoming they’re taking.

 

Things don't happen in a vacuum. You think Israeli aggression in the middle east and bombings killed leaders of freedom fighting organizations (as they are seen) is just to be ignored. You punch a man's cousin in LA then wonder why the man sees you in NY and wants to fight.

I don't know now why it's so damn hard for you to just say Isrsel deserves carte blanche and actions never to be questioned or judged.

 

And France before that on overflight on the Lockerbie Revenge Bombing

Public sabre rattling in an age with combined arms capablility is essentially meaningless

 

Why do you want an escalation this bad? I'm of the opinion that this should be the end of it before it gets out of hand and if Iran attacks Israel again then there should be consequences. You're the one getting hard at the prospect of an Israeli retaliation that you know fully well will lead to further escalation.

You're trying to paint me as this "pro-Iran" extremist when even the White House doesn't think hitting oil fields and nuclear facilities is a good idea. Biden is pro-Iranian of course
Biden suggests Israel not hit Iran oil fields, after opposing strike on nuke facilities
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-october-04-2024/

Since you obviously could care less about Palestinians and Lebanese, I doubt that you care about the day to day of Iranians under this (and I agree here) brutal regime.

Red lines... pre or since October 7th? Since my comments are in relation to the attack on October 7th, what red lines have they crossed since then? See below unless you want to call Blinken "pro-Iran"

Blinken says no 'direct evidence' that Iran was involved in the Hamas attack on Israel
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/wh...n-was-involved-hamas-attack-israel-rcna120110

• When it comes to this specific attack, in this moment, we don’t have direct evidence that Iran was involved in the attack, either in planning it or carrying it out."

Bibi being the leader of his country, it's legitimate to question if the decisions he's taking escalating the situation with Iran is truly for the benefit of his people or his own...

Using your own logic, are you ready to admit that Bibi's regime "purposely" wanted to kill as many Palestinians in the process of defeating Hamas?

No one's innocent here, not Iran, Hamas or Hezbollah (I will say that bombing Israel the next day after Oct. 7 was unbelievably stupid). Agree to disagree for some of this stuff but I hope you understand that the narrative that "nothing is ever Israel's fault" isn't working anymore around the globe which leads to more scrutiny in the decision making by it leadership. Forget about me - I don't matter but read the global room, even traditional allies of Israel and huge members of the West finds it increasingly harder to support Israel unconditionally and that's worth mentioning as well and cannot be denied

 

I haven't checked the USMNT World Cup 2026 pre-match thread.

Anyway, Iran invented pre-match and all other types of threads.

 

They are not the cause of all the problems but they have an apartheid state that got South Africa otriscized from the world but you can't do that Israel. We are told they are the good guys but then violate the rights and even kill dual Nats but the western nation that the citizen belonged to has no recourse. However, if that dual Nat was killed by another nation, there is a serious problem. You think Japan can take out a Comercial building like how the the one that CNN was stationed in, because the Chinese are using it for spying on Japan? Could France blow up a market place Beliguim cause it is the headquarters of an anti French terrorist outfit and the just tell the Belgians that's what you get?

The good guys can be as bad and dirty as they want and jt is wrong to ever call them out for it.

 

Gas is finally under $3 a gallon. Bibi better not F that up In his quest for eternal war!

 

There's a lot to consider, quite a few Iranian missiles landed...

Satellite images show dozens of Iranian missiles struck near Israeli air base : NPR

...Iran almost surely could land a much greater punch if it wanted, Israel/IDF is already stretched thin with fighting in Lebanon and Gaza (in particular), and to a lesser degree in the WB and Yemen. How much of a response will it take to trigger a massive Iranian retaliatory strike? How many fronts does Bibi want to open up, at once?

Israel can take on all these proxies and it seems unlikely Iran will strike again (unless it's in response to an Israeli attack inside Iran), no Israeli was killed in the Iranian missile strike and Israel's fighting capability was not reduced in any way...

...Israel would look like it was exercising some restraint by not launching a massive counter. Of course, there's the rhetoric (Israel has been telegraphing its intention to respond, massively, for days), and the face-saving stuff.

But, on balance, it might make more sense for Israel not to attack Iran, at this stage.

So, the longer the pre-match, the better.