The Inevitable War with Iran is Looking a Little More Imminent

we might not be here today without them, on the verge of (possibly) a brighter future for Iranians and a more stable Middle East free from the overtly hostile and desperately oppressive religious leaders in Iran, wishful thinking perhaps, but damn I would love to see the last of those assholes.

 

There are some differences

 

A lot of the reason why the US-aligned countries are grateful for the US's support is because of the actions of Iran. You seem to be ignoring the fact that Iran and Saudi Arabia are in the midst of a Cold War in the Middle East with Iran backing Shi'ite controlled governments and militias, while Saudi Arabia is supporting Sunni controlled governments and militias. As an example, the overthrow of Assad wasn't due to the actions of the US, it was because the Saudi's were bankrolling the militia al-Julani leads and the Islamist militias that al-Julani is trying to keep under control right now.

 

Iran is currently a factor in them seeking sanctuary with the USA, yes.

Before Iran it was Iraq.

Before Iraq it was Egypt.

Iran is just the current placeholder for a powerful regional Middle Eastern state not called israel.

As long as the petty kingdoms remain small, any powerful state in the region will cause them to seek an alliance with a superpower.

 

Really? That's it? Seems very one sided.

 

Not really: US policy has been to prop up dictatorships where possible in the region, even greenlighting the Sisi coup in Egypt and numerous coups and coup attempts in Turkey. Israel doesn't really help with that (other than their backing of the Sisi coup in 2013).

 

It's almost like the power structure within the Middle East has been shifting over the decades and a lot of that has been because of US interference, yes. It's also not just Israel, but also oil.

 

Yes.

 

Dude. Stop with this stupid fight-picking.

 

Why? Mullahs have been a boil on the ass of humanity for as long as anyone can remember. I would celebrate their passing with gusto. I'm not worried about what comes along to fill the vacuum, that is for the Iranian people to figure out. But they are being relegated to the ranks of non threatening failed state, as we speak.

 

I don't see it that way. I'm genuinely interested in their views, I'm not trying to be disrespectful or dismissive, and I think it's been a pretty civil conversation. I will admit that my exuberance over the possible demise of this regime has on occasion gotten the better of me.

 

Well, I tone back my response based on how it was taken by those you @‘d. No harm, no foul.

I am getting very weary of this team-based analysis of the situation.

 

Dunno, but to me it seems stupid for us as foreigners, going into countries murdering religious leaders.

 

You could always weigh in with your views, I'd be interested to read them.

 

For me it's a no brainer, I understand what this regime stands for, they've never been slightly vague or ambiguous about their aims and intentions.

 

What do you think about foreigners that perceive the US as a regime that stands for extralegal killings, putting people away in foreign prisons without due process, propping up dictators and strongmen, etc? Would THEY be justified in trying to kill US government officials?

 

can you give me an example?

 

Not sure if serious...are you really asking for examples of the US doing those things?

 

Fair point but I have a soft spot for the Revolution as CIA meddling destroyed Africa including my homeland of Ghana. The US supported a ruthless dictator in Iran then Iraq. So their hate was not unfounded. Also speaking of a long time, Bibi in 2012 at the UN said Iran was close to a bomb and we are still waiting. There are no good guys here.

 

I'm serious, are there instances in particular that you're referring to? I may or may not agree with US actions, given the context, and the history. You're speaking in very broad terms, I'm asking if you can narrow down to specific situations. For instance, I was not upset about Qasem Soleimani being killed, were you?
I doubt if anyone here agrees with all actions of the US govt, Iraq war for instance, massive mistake.

 

Yeah, I don't know what having "a soft spot for the Revolution" means - you were fine with these "revolutionaries" seizing control of the US embassy and holding Americans hostage for 444 days? You're fine with the mullahs fomenting terror in the region ever since? I'm all for criticism where due and US has blundered into plenty of foreign policy catastrophes...but in this instance, so far, so good.

 

Nah don't worry about it. I have a strong suspicion you can find attenuating circumstances for any instance I might bring up, and I don't feel like getting into that

I was just trying to assess if you would be willing to extend your "no brainer" approach to the people that have found themselves on the receiving end of some US injustice.

 

I think in the context of:

• North Korea
• Iraq
• Pakistan
• Iran
• Ukraine
• Israel
• Maybe others???

The ones that have nukes have not been credibly threatened and invaded. If anything, this skirmish might simply encourage Iran and any other onlookers into securing a nuclear bomb ASAP.

This incursion will play out over decades, and in ways we cannot foresee, and likely not in the favor of a safer, more liberal and democratic world.

 

well, this incursion at least appears to have led to a ceasefire agreement so (if true) we should all be celebrating that!

 

When the US and allies can shoot first, or tear up any treaty for...waking up on the wrong side of the bed I guess...I wouldn't put much stock in that.