The Inevitable War with Iran is Looking a Little More Imminent

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/trump-announces-israel-iran-ceasefire-2025-06-23/
Israel reports waves of Iranian missiles, soon after Trump announced ceasefire

• Israeli military says six waves of missiles fired from Iran
• Israel ambulance service says three people killed
• Iran's foreign minister says there is no agreement yet
• Iran's last missiles fired before ceasefire, Iran's SNN reports
• White House: Israel on board as long as no more Iranian attacks

 

Iranian TV says ceasefire has now begun

 

That is ironic though coming from you, since despite a number of factual posts about the JCPOA and the decision by the Orange man to abandon it lead to the current situation, you still keep your views that the bombings were justified…. Because reasons ‍♂️

 

lets hope this holds.

 

correct...the problems with Iran's nuclear program predate Trump. In my view a nuclear armed Iran would be unacceptable given their posture and behavior in region. Best not to wait until they have one to sort that out.

 

Except Iran had already agreed to end their nuclear weapons program when Trump took office. Trump then walked away from that agreement and, as a result, Iran was free to restart that program.

 

I dont see this ceasefire holding. I think there will be another round in the fall.

Either that, or Israel succeeds in doing an assassination with plausible deniability.

I am 100 percent sure that they will assassinate the supreme leader Khamenei.

 

wonder if they're now regretting their choice.

 

Before Israel's strikes, all Iran's Supreme Leader aimed to have was a civilian nuclear program that was also advanced enough where his personal opposition to Iran developing nuclear weapons would rightly be regarded as the main impediment to building nukes. That was meant as his insurance policy against any assassination attempt by the US and Israel. All that changed in the course of this war: unless you believe the US/Israel have truly destroyed Iran's capabilities (fat chance), you will see Iran become an undeclared nuclear state before next year even if, ironically, its very ambitious large scale civilian nuclear program will indeed have been damaged and set back by a few years.

 

Some of y'all who are bemoaning these joint US/Israeli attacks might've forgotten who we're dealing with here.

Reasons why Iran is recognized as a state sponsor of terrorism...

Iran and state-sponsored terrorism - Wikipedia

Reasons why their human rights record is abysmal...

Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran - Wikipedia

 

Again, this is an issue Trump created.

 

it remains to be seen just how far the regimes ambitions have been set back but as I understand it, you only enrich uranium to 60% and beyond for one reason.

 

No one bring up the US’s human rights record or history of sponsoring terrorists.

 

again, I don't think his actions were helpful but I'm far less trusting of the regime and their willingness to comply.

 

Oh come on. Your position is just as bad as Quakes. Opposite sides of the same coin.

 

Which, again, is why the IAEA was there to determine Iran’s compliance. At the time that Trump walked away, Iran was complying. Whether you trust them or not is immaterial. The current state of affairs was caused by Trump. Full stop.

 

I don't want to give Trump any credit but dammit I'm pleased with the current state of affairs. If Iran is weakened militarily, that to me looks like a win. That could all change tomorrow but for now at least, well done USAF and IDF.

 

But you keep saying something that is demonstrably not correct. The JCPOA was working and their program was under the most rigorous inspections and scrutiny. Iran has been close (a few week or months away) since 2000 of a nuclear bomb, according to Bibi but that was never the case. I guess isolating them and bomb ing them regularly will work well....since it has worked so well with North Korea.

 

Dude, you are gaslighting us at this point....You are entitled to your opinions but not to the facts. The idea was a threat to Israel military might or close to having a bomb is just nonsense.

 

I've been clear, I didn't agree with pulling out of that agreement and I understand the case that Iran was incentivized to push on with enriching uranium. But they had a choice, US wasn't the only party to that agreement, European countries were imploring them to stay with the agreement, as I recall. But they chose to keep enriching uranium towards weapons grade and ultimately, they themselves made a series of choices that brought this upon themselves. They weren't forced by anyone to keep going with their enrichment work.

 

from 60% it's apparently a fairly short jump to 90%, which is weapons grade. But this was just one facet of the threat they posed, there were many.

 

Come on man...That is not even rational. What incentives would they have to stay in an agreement when all the sanctions were back in place? You are not arguing in good faith here.

 

Dude...Not going to argue that Iran is a state sponsor of terrorism, that is 100%. We can also say thr same about Saudi Arabia and by all accounts Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. @Yoshou wrote as well, we are not innocent either as far as sponsoring terrorism. There are no clean hands here....

 

Well, the incentives were that they wouldn't end up where they are today, I suppose. Maybe they shouldn't be sponsoring terrorism and deploying all their proxies to attack Israel, etc.

Look, I'm okay being out on a limb here, I realize that some of my liberal friends don't agree with my views here, even my wife was kind of sounding like some of you today ...

...but that's fine, we don't always have to agree. Seems unlikely that we would.

 

if anything, Iran's Supreme Leader is regretting the opposite...on a host of issues...

Iran has enriched to 60% for several years. Indeed, Iran first enriched uranium to 60% right after an Israeli sponsored terrorist attack at Natanz in 2021, where they claimed then that they had set back Iran's program by up to 2 year! lol

Also, while 60% enrichment had primarily 'negotiation tactics' purposes for Iran, you have been misled about 60% enrichment having no civilian purpose. There are certain cancer drugs and civilian medical uses for such highly enriched uranium. Besides, Iran's only commitment under the NPT (as opposed to the JCPOA) was not build the bomb. Even 90% enriched uranium has (mostly military) non-nuclear weapon applications (e.g. for fueling nuclear powered platforms)