This seems like a good moment to take a breather. [In my mod voice:] This is a contentious issue and we're living in polarized times. Iran has been trying to destabilize Israel for decades, Israel is acting barbarically with regards to Gaza, and now the US has gotten involved. None of these regimes has a particularly durable relationship with the truth. So what I'd like is for everyone to just do a re-set. I would suggest a couple of things... More "I" messages and less "you" accusations. If you don't know what an "I" message is, look it up. A hell of a lot less name calling. An appreciation that there are a lot of seriously smart, well read people here. If you're going to post here, show your work. Give us links where appropriate. But realize that your links will really be read, so you should know your own sources. But also know that just dumping links isn't very impressive, either. Tie that link to your own thoughts. If you kust want to post a tweet without commenting on why it's important, well, we have a thread for that. And lastly, if your tweet doesn't have video, please just take a screen shot of the tweet as the forum software is going buggy with tweets.
Somebody's gonna pay the price in Tehran. BREAKING: Israeli Army Radio reports that the US did not attack the enrichment facility in Isfahan that Israel had attacked, but rather another site that was carved into the mountain where enriched material was hidden.— Faytuks Network (@FaytuksNetwork) June 22, 2025
The US reportedly warned Iran that the B2s were on the way and told them that it would stop there if Iran did not retaliate.
I saw that report too. If that's the case, Iran will most likely take it out on Israel and leave the US alone...that would be smart. This is turning out to be a war of attrition Israel has no hope to win on their own. Bibi will find a way to get the US involved again
As reported already by American sources, the US warned Iran that the B2s were on the way before the attack, identified the exact sites that would be hit, and told Iran that it would stop there if Iran did not retaliate. Iran claims to have taken the nuclear material from these sites beforehand, which can be verified if there is no major radiation contamination. Iran has in the meantime launched missiles hitting Israel.
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-conflict-06-22-25-intl-hnk UN watchdog says no increase in radiation levels at Iran nuclear sites
My view is that either (a) the revolutionary guards will take effective control of Iran's nuke program and develop it as they wish (50% chance); (b) Iran's Supreme Leader will still see the first option too risky and allow the program to be run by those who are looking for deals to curtail it while looking for a face saving formula that falls short of complete capitulation (50%). p.s. I strongly favor Iran developing a nuclear deterrent and ending its cooperation with the IAEA.
Interesting. I also think its those options, but cant say which direction is the most likely. To be honest I dont think a nuclear deterrent is viable or possible. First, for it to be considered a true deterrent Iran would probably have to build and assemble something north of 50 nukes. Maybe a lot more, although I am no expert. And second, there would be no way for Iran to break out and race towards developing a nuclear arsenal without early detections.
One of the nuclear scientists Israel assassinated, Dr Abasi, had addressed this issue here. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DK9tQUjo6EI/?igsh=t2U1NGdpcjJtYzQ1
I have seen enough I want Zelenskyy gone as Ukraine president Bibi can do wonders for Ukraine Oh look at the delusional folk being lusional for a change. What happened to US wouldn't dare attack Iran. Bunch of [insert favourite word] the lot of you
George Conway said it perfectly. I hope all of those who didnt vote or voted the Orange cretin, because "Harris is the warmonger " or "incompetent" are feeling good about themselves today. Great job! George Conway @gtconway3d Much as I would not dare to predict the consequences of this war, I do think we can summarize it thusly so far: A smart and evil man manipulated a stupid and evil man into a war against a fanatical and evil regime.
Could be but doesn't matter much if the centrifuges and their facilities are destroyed. You then need to rebuild from scratch, you need to buy centrifuges, you need top staff and you need to rebuild your air defense before you even can think about to enrich the nuclear material from 60 to over 90. Hard to see how Iran can finish their program in under 10? years. They are also much weaker now in the vicinity and as a regime. It's absolute reasonable from the US to allow Iran to rescue the material and don't cause a nuclear catastrophe.
I mean this stuff is deep underground. We don't know if it got destroyed. Trump saying it was destroyed means nothing. I for one looking forward to Trump saying everything was annihilated and Iran saying nothing happened. Iran has every interest to deny anything got destroyed so that can justify them not attacking US forces. Trump has every interest to say mission accomplished even if he knows nothing is damaged
Most sources I see tend to believe they are destroyed indeed. It's how the bomb functions. Unlike a conventional bomb it does not need to break through all levels to do it's work. It's the shock waves it creates that do the damage. But I agree, my post was written with the assumption that the facilities are indeed destroyed.
The problem with this conflict is you have 3 leaders who are all notorious liars and I have zero confidence about anything being said from either of those three. Therefore, the truth must be somewhere in the middle. Not the entire facility was destroyed, not all enriched uranium was saved. Bottom line, unless Iranian people are free from the shackles of their regime and if the nuclear program is not truly set back, this was pointless.
Agreed. As someone said in the other thread, if the troops on donny's military parade had looked more menacing and less 'smilie', (or if more people had turned up), this probably wouldn't have happened. It's hard to see much good coming out of this
Well I think only 1 nuke would already be a deterrent. I don't know to what extent the nuclear program has been destroyed, but I know for sure that the scientific knowledge accumulated over the years cannot be destroyed.
This is me saying Hi to the 3rd middle east war in my life and this century. I am trying real hard not to text my ex about her peace seeking presidential choice.
We really cannot be faster to get rid of oil and gas all along. This will turn a lot of pressure out of the region.