The inevitable war with Greenland

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  1. dapip

    dapip Member+

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    The worst part of what Trump and his accomplices are doing regarding immigration, is not respecting any legal status. I understand that that is the purpose, but they basically trashed the process and are deporting anyone who's not a citizen (and even citizens).

    So, yes, we do need all the things that you guys are mentioning, but you fail to say that they were there for the most part, only that we didn't have enough resources to handle the amount of paperwork and processes in the pipeline, so besides of widening the pipes, and running them shorter, we needed more plumbers and tools, sort of speak.

    All that is gone. Good luck recruiting immigrants even after this regime is removed/voted out.
     
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  2. Sounders78

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    Ask yourself this, have you ever compared the current USA to Germany in the 1930s? (You have, for the record. For one example, you said in post #55 of the Charlie Kirk thread "The important point is that we continue along the 1933 Germany path.").

    You will notice that the orange idiot's speech at Davos had many parallels to Hitler's 1938 speech regarding the Sudetenland, which he wanted for "natural security".

    If there are enough parallels to Germany in the 1930s, and there are plenty, then there's a non-negligible chance of him starting another world war. It's not a given it will happen, but we should consider it a possibility.

    And I hope that putting that so-called "fake, cynical, negative energy" out there motivates people to do what they can to stop this tyrannical felon from destroying the world even further.
     
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  3. babaorum

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    The good new is that a WWIII won't last five long years but probably less than a few hours.

    On a serious note, I think that remains unlikely (but 'unlikely' is still worrying enough) because
    the common thread among dictators worldwide is a concern for self-preservation. This clashes with the danger of mutual destruction in the event of a third world war. In short: the potential use of nuclear weapons makes comparisons with the world of the 1930s extremely difficult.

    But perhaps I'm being too optimistic.
     
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  4. diablodelsol

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    please stop quoting me. I find most of your posts and comments nuttier than squirrels turds but don’t put you on ignore because every once in a while you actually make an insightful post and for all your nuttier ones at least you’re not trolling or a ********ing fascist. But this is the 3rd or 4th time you e quoted me on the same post without my response. I do admire how confidently you post with a complete lack of understanding of the subject you’re posting on or even the argument you’re attempting to counter. It is really spectacular
     
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  5. Ceres

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    Perhaps it was designed to do exactly that. Denmark is the biggest donor of military support to Ukraine per capita and also among the biggest donors in actual $ billions, not to forget also the most vocal in rallying the Europeans to spend more, being just as good at this as now rallying Europe behind Greenland and Denmark, but obviously this attack on Greenland and Denmark has totally changed the focus away from Ukraine the past weeks, which has been a helping hand from Trump to Putin.
     
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  6. Auriaprottu

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    The people America wants have too many options to bother coming here, even if they got fast-tracked to citizenship. They don't need to come here. On the other side, America doesn't want the people who want to come here. The difficulty of becoming an American citizen "the right way" is deliberate because Pedro and Maria are coming from Central America. When Sven and Ingrid decide in enough numbers that they vant to build a home in ze United States, ya, immigration for them will be much easier.
     
  7. superdave

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    Right…unrealistic optimism and unrealistic pessimism are both advantages for the fascists. We shouldn’t do either one.

    “non-negligible” and “expect” are two very different ways of describing this
     
  8. superdave

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    thank you!

    Seeing it every once in a while is pretty funny. Seeing it several times on the same page is irritating.

    And the dude is impervious to paying any heed to what people keep telling him.
     
  9. Sounders78

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    The problem seems to be what you consider unrealistic is oftentimes realistic, you just don't have the "imagination" to see the picture by connecting all the dots as well as some other people who have had to pay more attention to such things throughout their lives because they are in minority categories.
     
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  10. Ceres

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    Problem for Trump and his MAGA nuts is, that the USA have nothing to offer Sven and Ingrid, or the Inuit Greenlanders for that matter, that they would trade away their freedoms, social benefits and priviliges, that do not exist in the USA.
     
  11. soccernutter

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    Sure, but Trump never thought about things very far in advance, and long term. He only wants the PR, and then to move on to the next shiny thing. And it is only getting worse as he gets more mentally deficient.

    Apart from that, it is amusing how many here are thinking that Trump will have troops go into Iceland...I mean Greenland, to conquer them. He never does stuff like that, it's always been too complicated for him. If we just look at this past year, he has bombed Iran, Yemen, Nigeria, Syria, and the issue with Venezuela was a capture and leave. He will never order anything sustained because it is too complicated for him, and he is a coward and worries about looking bad.
     
  12. soccernutter

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    There were multiple reasons for this. The legal attacks on J Powell have a much bigger impact that Denmark and others divesting in US bonds.
     
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  13. Tribune

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    Well, I have seen recently some statements from former Trumpist ambassador Carla Sands, who claimed that, by joining US, Greenland will have more prosperity and "be less like a welfare state".

    In translation: say goodbye to free education and healthcare, say hello to US companies pillaging your lands.

    One would need to be a moron to do any business with Trump, regardless of the terms.
     
  14. Ceres

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    While she was here, she ridiculed one of the Danish employees of the US embassy for taking his bike to work, saying it was proof of the the poor Danes not even being able to afford buying a car o_O, she also postulate that Denmark will not be able to afford suppoting Greenland, which is laughable at best. Denmark spend arround $1 billion a year on Greenland, while having a Government surplus the past many years in the range of around $17b to $30 billion a year, which is the highest in all of the EU.

    Denmark have also spend or set aside $14 billion over the past two years to strengthen the defense of Greenland. So I guess that dog sled must have been quite expensive ? ;)
     
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  15. chaski

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    What if Sven is a hockey player? ;)
     
  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Fair point. That’s why I appreciate thoughtful feedback. Just as I’m sure all of yall appreciate my thoughtful feedback.

    But I’m still right on this one. ;)

    Unless you do, in fact, “expect” a World War.
     
  17. Sounders78

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    I'll repeat what I said, we should expect nothing less than the orange idiot starting another world war. A world war would be an expected result of his sociopathic narcissism, his stupidity, his ignorance, his false bravado, his political "talents", his grifting, his demeanor, etc. When you look at the history of the men he is often compared to, including Mussolini and Hitler, a war would not be surprising at all. In fact, the EU has already encouraged its nations to prepare the citizenry for potential conflict, largely in response to Russia, but the orange idiot's love and defense of Putin further escalates the concern. NATO members are literally putting troops in Greenland to defend the island in case of aggression as we debate what "expect" implies or means.

    So yes, given the situation and the incredible dolt with the temperament of a spoiled child in the White House, we should expect nothing less. Will it come to pass? Maybe, maybe not. But we should prepare ourselves for the possibility as the EU is already doing, because we should expect nothing less from such a deranged sociopathic narcissistic idiot as the US president; in my opinion it is "normal and what usually happens" (to borrow from the Cambridge Dictionary definition of "expect") when sociopathic narcissists with visions of grandeur, a sense of entitlement and a persecuted ego get into powerful positions. You disagree, that's ok, but you also couldn't see the writing on the wall during either the 2016 or 2024 elections.
     
  18. superdave

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    You’re right about 2016 but not 2024. The polls never gave me confidence.
     
  19. Sounders78

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    They gave me enough confidence and certainty about the result to put my home up for sale before the election. Thankfully, within an hour of it being listed I had someone schedule a viewing who eventually did buy it.
     
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  20. The Jitty Slitter

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    As a centre right liberal you tend to see these issues in policy terms - i used to be the same

    What you have to accept is the policy arguments here are just post-facto justifications by the regime

    If the Greenland thing were really a national defence priority, it would have been in the national security policy statement issued five minutes ago.
     
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  21. Belgian guy

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    Also they can build as many bases as they want on Greenland under the statutes of the 1951 agreement, so if this is about security, what the ******** is the issue exactly?
     
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  22. The Jitty Slitter

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    Yep. When this all first came up last spring, a few of that natsec types did backgrounders all the history of it.

    No real reason to repeat all the detail, as the regime isn't making good faith arguments in the first place. What you can say, is way back in the cold war day, this idea was kicking around. Why it suddenly became a Trumpian fixation is much less clear. But then no one really knows why Canada is either.
     
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  23. babaorum

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    A mix of madness, imperial will of hegemony and hubris.
     
  24. Minnman

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    Or here in Columbus, if Henrik is a Swedish soccer coach.

    By the way, we used to have a major draw for just the type of immigrant that Trump/Miller seem to prefer: higher education. You want to do foundational research at the world’s universities? Come to America.

    Not so much anymore.
     
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  25. roadkit

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    As I have opined on previously, if you were alive in Germany in the 1930s, at what point would you feel justified in killing Hitler? Apparently, there is never a situation where political violence is justified, but for the sake of argument, at what point do we say "Yes it is, because he's [insert tyrannical action here]"
     
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