Tell me wise one what are the practical implications of this? Be very specific. Because of this Europe will no longer what? That is no way to talk about your president
Macron is trying to manage and hopefully defuse an increasingly erratic and delusional US President. I'm not sure what else he can do.
He could threaten to take back Lousiana, citing the unfairly low price paid by the US two hundred years ago... Wuss...
Debating a troll online is like wrestling with a pig in mud…you both waste your time, but he likes it.
Just Carney and Macron's remarks alone at the WEF should greatly concern any sane American politician.
The Haitians never got their dues for forcing Napoleon to sell it to the US for peanuts. Funny enough, the US kept helping France punish them ever since the Haitian Revolution
No wonder Trump wants to invade Canada, Carney might get kidnapped - I recommend listening to his entire speech. Can't remember a politician from this side having the guts to say this besides Chretien or Pierre-Eliott Trudeau - even then, they'd never go this far Calling out "the rule-based order" for the lie it always was which Canada and other middle powers participated in - same with the double standard of applying international law 2013639956476965169 is not a valid tweet id @waitforit @Potowmack This - but not sure Europe has the right leadership at this time. Macron is no De Gaulle 2013644627736191024 is not a valid tweet id
1. Carney is 100% on point 2. This is USA shooting themselves in the foot. This is for me ideal. This is Europe going back to being self sufficient again. USA will no longer be able to say hey bro trust us you don't need to do x or y I got you. This is Europe waking up to the fact you can't outsource everything to your partners anymore. Same goes for China This is the rest of the world seeing USA is not a reliable partner and the soft power they built in the last lets say 80 years being torpedoed. You may snicker all you want but the Global South is looking at and saying holy ******** treaties signed by USA are worthless And Europe can fkc up USA very easily. They can say we will stop using US dollar to buy oil. And unlike BRICS countries will take up their offer because Euro is a stable currency. What some idjits see as e weak Europe is in fact USA using their power that they carefully accumulated over the year vanish.
Oh JFC World leaders have to “take into account” that Trump might post their private messages to him in public, Dutch Foreign Minister David van Weel told NBC News in an interview Tuesday. He called it “part of the new diplomacy.” A crisis meeting of European leaders will be held Thursday as the continent weighs its response to Trump’s threat of tariffs against those opposing an American takeover of Greenland. https://www.nbcnews.com/world/green...-greenland-nato-rutte-europe-davos-rcna254907
Reads as ... "As long as we benefited and weren't on the receiving end of the stick, we were OK with the fake system"
Europeans are waking up to that reality - it will be harder for the current crop of mediocre leaders to get elected/reelected/stay in power. I trust people won't have it. The Conservative party of Canada had the last election won but the leader refused to pivot away from his pro-American policies, that flipped the election on its head. Even if Carney is pro-American (most of his assets are in the US) - he recognizes that Canadians wouldn't have it. As for leverage, I think you're overestimating what the Europeans can do at this point. They are dependent on the US on so many critical areas especially energy - Nordstream blowing up doesn't help. Do European leaders have the toughness/courage to drastically pivot as you're suggesting? Not this current crop, Trump knows it. That's what De Gaulle was warning against - he was proved correct You could say that Europe could rely on Africa but if you read the NSS carefully, the US have no plans in making any concessions anywhere. The US plans to challenge China everywhere including in the Global South using a drastically different approach. Europe has been checkmate and the Trump administration is only getting started with its trolling of the old continent.
Joke all you want but this remains an indisputable fact : China’s record US$1.2 trillion trade surplus in 2025 came from: a sharp drop in exports to the United States (down 19.5%) Combined large increases in exports to the rest of the world: Africa (+26.5%) Southeast Asia (+14%) Latin America (+8%) These gains more than offset the US decline and explain how China still achieved a massive surplus. Theses stats challenged the "indispensable nation" claim from the US in the rest of the world encouraging more nations to follow this model. Now the US strategy as outlined in the NSS start to make sense and why this above can't be allowed to continue unchallenged
UE is the world's second-largest trader in goods, ahead of the United States. It is the world's leading trader in services, ahead of the United States. The European Union has strengths, and the United States has much to lose. The tragedy of Europe (this time including the UK, Norway, Switzerland...) is that it is not aware of its power.
I know it's easy to read into things and anecdotes are not data, but when I called my Congressperson's office to request that he do whatever it takes to oppose Trump's assault on Greenland--among other things, I specifically said that nothing else should get done or voted on in Congress until this has been stopped--the staff person I was speaking to not only sounded like she agreed but her "Thank you for speaking about this" sounded like an ACTUAL 'thank you.' Like they need to know that the public really cares about this, like they WANT to know that the public actually cares about this. I hope everybody here is calling your congressional representatives on a regular basis. I had become somewhat numb and deflated recently and got out of the habit, but it's a necessary thing to do and elected representatives do have staff to keep track of how many of their constituents hound them on any particular issue. I realized today that I can't let my depression and fatalism continue to lead to paralysis.
All true but the bunch of weak leaders making the EU aren't acting like it. The change needs to come from the top first but until then, Trump will exploit them and humiliate them at every turns. This will lead for a loss of respect outside the West benefiting China. I think Carney said it well in his speech highlighting the double-standard speech from those buying into the rule-based order. The reality is the rest of the world absolutely hate being on the receiving end of that so they go with China or the US (kidnapping leaders helps). Can Europe change? Yes but not the Macron, Meloni, Starmer, Merz, UVL and company - the rest of the world won't take it from them. They need to be gone
Disagree. It wasn't a fake system. It was real and benefited America massively as well. But, it's now over and was intentionally broken. That's what he is saying. That it's time to build a new system.
You forget to mention the entourage, that's making him go that way. They are as lunatic as the tanman is, with this difference that they use his personality disorder to move him in that direction. You should start popping the entourage.
For a rare moment I have to say I approve this message. Hard power rests on soft power. Without soft power hard power is like a flash in the pan, it lasts as long as the rest of the world values your money.
Fake in the sense of how it was described by Carney. As in there were no repercussions for the powerful nations who broke the rules. Yes, the system benefitted the US immensely ... but it doesn't seem to benefited it anymore (or not as much as it used to). As you put it ... time to build a new system. Many have been predicting for years that this day would come. I don't think the US can maintain this system financially. COVID accelerated the process and this admin is deciding to try and do it on their own terms instead of letting everything blow up. Not sure if what's on the other side is any better for the US though.
Macron could also post about 500 or so times in the Russia v Ukraine thread, cheerleading with full pom pons for Putin as well.
Just some info, The Danish government canceled it's participation in Davos to prepare for war, both financially and in Greenland. One thing I can debunk for sure is, that Denmark may feel pressured to sell Greenland. First of all, a sale is illegal according to the Danish constitution, and unlike in the USA, an amendment is simply not possilble in the case of Greenland. Secondly, all the political parties in the Danish parliament, from far right to far left, are getting more and more angry with Trump and his outrageous demands that are not up for negotion, and have never been on the table, except in the mind of Trump. I feel I need to make it crystal clear how the Danes and Greenlanders feel about this. Elsewhere I have already posted this interview with the member of the Greenlandic Parliament Tillie Martinussen, that quite articulately sum up what the Greenlanders feel about all this, but it really is worth a repost, for people abroad to understand : Next is Danish comedian Huxi Bach who argues that Trump need to stand down and that only one important phone call could get the job done. If only the Congress would pick up the phone. It's also a summary of how the Danes feel, including a history lesson about why colonialism is the worst possible idea ever. and last but not least, I will highly recommend this video by Denmarks most prominent Military analyst, Anders Puck Nielsen, who is a Danish naval captain and military analyst at the Royal Danish Defence College, and known internationally for his clear explanations of modern warfare, particularly the Ukraine war, appearing in media and on his YouTube channel. He is also the author of the book "The Logic of War", and one of few who actually predicted that Putin would invade Ukraine, but now he is talking about Greenland and why a sale will not be a possible outcome, leaving Trump and the US Congress and Senate only two options.