The impact of a declining population, on individual countries and the world as a whole

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  1. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Collapsing birth rates will meet rising child mortality rates halfway -- Americans will be too scared to have more kids
     
  2. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite Guinness

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apparently by their MAGA saying, they want to go back to that time when women only left the kitchen to pee, sleep and make babies by the time they turned 16.
     
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  3. dapip

    dapip Member+

    Sep 5, 2003
    South Florida
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    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    Partying like it was 1859…
     
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  4. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite Guinness

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If progressives want, well, progress...why isn't the other side known as regressives?
     
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  5. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Danes are realistic people. If life expectancy keeps increasing in Denmark, that means the government needs to spend more on pensions for the average Dane. Tying retirement age to life expectancy is a rational policy.

    Do you think elderly Americans are better off than their Danish counterparts?
     
  6. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most people can work longer.
     
  7. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I can definitely teach for a few more years.

    If I was a roofer, it would probably be a different story.
     
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  8. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But that's not about age it's about unions and voters demanding better working conditions and public services, as well as preventive care.
     
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  9. Just today in the Dutch news:
    Skyrocketing house prices depress birth rate: tenants in particular have fewer children

    Sky-high rents and high house prices are depressing the birth rate. Tenants in particular are in trouble. The faster prices rise, the smaller the chance that a woman will become pregnant.
     
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  10. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
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    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a whole - no - take a visit to a nursing home
     
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  11. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is only news if you've had me on ignore for five years.
     
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  12. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
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    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anecdotally, elderly Danish people seem healthier than their American counterparts. Last time we were there, I can't recall seeing any obese people. Certainly not the type of obesity you routinely see in Wal-Mart in the US.

    A healthy 70 year old without the type of comorbidities you tend to see among American seniors can keep working in a non-physical job.
     
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  13. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
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    DC United
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    United States
    For some reason, housing is the only market where many people seem blind to how supply and demand works.

    The reason housing is so expensive in the US (I don't know about the Netherlands) is that we simply haven't built enough of it to keep up with a growing population. But there are people here who don't understand this fact.
     
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  14. MattR

    MattR Member+

    Jun 14, 2003
    Reston
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, they are called "NIMBYs." They don't want to build anything new where people want to live because of "traffic" and "property values."

    A real issue is that Boomer's are empty nesting and won't sell, but they also block all attempts to build more housing. There is also a backlash from steamrolling local opposition, because in the past steamrolling local opposition destroyed thriving communities of color to build interstate highways.

    There is also the fact that every American Family deserves a single family home with a garage. People are willing to drive two hours a day to support this fact.
     
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  15. Potowmack

    Potowmack Member+

    Apr 2, 2010
    Washington, DC
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    DC United
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    United States
    And many boomers are empty nesting in houses that are too big for them, which means that those houses aren't available to people who could actually use the space and the extra bedrooms. My in-laws live in a 5 bedroom house, for example.
     
  16. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not really correct.

    There are probably 1.5 vacant dwellings for every person / family group seeking a dwelling, and because the residential (SF & MF) construction industry is an industry just like the auto industry, it requires continual consumption of a product to exist.

    However, because of a variety of factors (demand +/- due to population shifts, NIMBYism, workforce changes, industry arriving or leaving a market) we have gluts of unoccupied housing in some areas, lots of existing housing that is substandard / suboptimal for large portions of the population and areas where housing demand makes reasonable dwelling options unaffordable and even the most fast tracked housing project takes 18 months to permit and construct for anything above a 3 unit dwelling. So supply will always lag behind demand.
     
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  17. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Yeah...we had a 9 room center hall. When the 3 kids moved on and wifey not mobile there was no way I could cope. Daughter showed up with big U-Haul and me 'n my Billie ended up in So Cal. Unknown to me my sis-in-law arranged and paid for a ramp van 120 mi to Logan and 1st class direct to San Diego. :coffee:
     
  18. Same here, but also added is that the wrong houses are being build.
    Many, a major part of those born in the 1950ies own their houses and these are morgage free and now lived in by two geriatrics or one widow/widower, while ment for a family with kids.
    So what do they plan to build? More family houses:rolleyes:, instead of houses that appeal to the 1950ies born, so these can sell their family homes to the right kind of inhabitants.
     
  19. Dutch news, not my news.
     
  20. Germerica

    Germerica Member+

    May 2, 2012
    SoCal burbs
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    Really interesting conversation here. Could have something to do with why we are seeing young folks skew conservative. In general, conservatives have more kids, so it’s just a numbers game. One has to wonder if the progressive replacement rate will be able to keep up with conservatives long term. Then factor in migration trends.

     
  21. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Well...Musk has 14 kids...a couple of them with his wife [wive's]!
     
  22. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
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    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is pseudoscientific bullshit
     
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  23. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The problem is that people age differently and have different needs.

    Certainly organizations could adjust the working conditions of elderly people based on need, as many do for people with handicaps or temporary limiting conditions.

    If employers provide flexible hours and adjust job requirements to allow for age-related impediments, people could work longer. It would also be helpful if elderly people who need income could work less hours and are able to both accrue and withdraw benefits as needed, and also have some tax incentives to keep working..
     
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  24. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
    Staff Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup. Locally people are really complaining about the traffic issue. But the state law says that additional housing units (think the mother-in-law unit in the back yard) must be withing a short distance from a bus line.

    Here in Colorado, as far as I understand, there are communities who build up to be away from denser population. And now some of them are zoned to allow greater population density and are fighting back.

    It's the "American Dream" to own a house. I just don't understand people who are willing to commute over 60 minutes to own that house.
     
  25. Germerica

    Germerica Member+

    May 2, 2012
    SoCal burbs
    Club:
    Los Angeles
    We commute over an hour into the city but it’s about more than simply affordability, it’s about safety. Different calculation when you have children. We also don’t commute in 5 days a week.
     

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