The Hot Stove Thread and Offseason Thread

Discussion in 'Baseball' started by fiddlestick, Nov 5, 2004.

  1. fiddlestick

    fiddlestick New Member

    Jul 17, 2001
    The 4 8 0
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    There's still a lot of work to be done there. The middle relief wasn't that great and the starters (aside from Schmidt) and some position players overachieved.
    Before all the deals get done, SD probably looks the best on paper, especially if they can unload Klesko for anything and not give up Burroughs. LA has a ton of questions to answer and holes to fill.
     
  2. otterulz

    otterulz Member

    Arsenal, Atleti
    South Korea
    Jun 20, 2002
    LIC, NY
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    So is this Green for Piazza deal happening? After a lot of talk, it seems as if the rumor has died down quite a bit. Would Dodger fans like to see Mikey back? I know everytime he played at Dodger Stadium as a Met he'd be booed like crazy. He'd also hit a homerun or two.
     
  3. fiddlestick

    fiddlestick New Member

    Jul 17, 2001
    The 4 8 0
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    I think no. The Dodger's need an everyday catcher, which Piazza very well may not be anymore. At his age it's a gamble.
    If I'm going to have to pay someone 16M a year, I'd rather it be Green. Younger, better defender, more durable.
    Seems both men's best years are behind them, but Piazza's are even further behind him.
     
  4. BlueMeanie

    BlueMeanie New Member

    Apr 1, 2002
    EastSIIIIDE
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    The outfield, other than Bonds, was shambles. Grissom's good, but getting older and probably shouldn't play CF every day. The Mohr/Tucker platoon in RF was uninspiring, which is why the G's are apparently trying to sign Jermaine Dye, who wants to stay local (he's from Vallejo). At least Dye would give them a bat that could somewhat protect Bonds, but he gets hurt a lot and will probably make big bucks, so it's a risk.

    Catcher could be an interesting position this offseason for SF, too. A.J. Pierczynski was apparently not extremely popular with the pitching staff or other teammates, and GM Brian Sabean just implied on KNBR that he'd perhaps look at dealing him if the only other option seems to be arbitration again. But that would mean they'd need to sign another catcher, because there's no guarantee Yorvit Torrealba is ready to catch every day. According to Sabean, we'll know more about this situation by the winter meetings.
     
  5. Lithium858

    Lithium858 Member

    Aug 11, 2002
    Baton Rouge
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    They Padres would be better off if Phil Nevin left because his defensive skills suck. Klesko had a good 2nd half of the season and is better at first base than Nevin and will re-gain his power next season most likely. Plus, Nevin and Kevin Towers had a few conflicts about the park last season. The Padres were best on paper, by many, last season and underperformed...
     
  6. fiddlestick

    fiddlestick New Member

    Jul 17, 2001
    The 4 8 0
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    Klesko's done. He was juiced.
     
  7. Jeff

    Jeff Member

    Apr 14, 1999
    Alexandria, NOVA
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    The concern I'd have with SD is will they score enough runs. The Giants have holes, but their pen was one of if not the biggest IMHO. Getting FLA' Benitez would really help them protect leads, I lost count of how many leads they lost late last season.
     
  8. SoulflyTribeFC

    SoulflyTribeFC New Member

    Mar 24, 2002
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    The Giants need to address their lineup issue. They've been making do without anybody to protect Bonds because guys like Snow and Grissom have been coming through, but how long can you rely on aging players to produce? They got rid of Santiago at the right time because otherwise they would have been stuck with a 40 yr old, injury prone catcher.

    It's too early to start calling division races, even if Benitez is headed to NoCal.
     
  9. SoulflyTribeFC

    SoulflyTribeFC New Member

    Mar 24, 2002
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    Yeah, I don't think Towers is going to be predicting 800-plus runs anytime soon. They need to build around their ballpark. Keep Loretta, keep Burroughs, get rid of Nevin and Klesko (with their no-trade clauses, though, keeping both is likely), bring in some pitching and bolster their pen.

    And they'll still finish in third place ;)
     
  10. fiddlestick

    fiddlestick New Member

    Jul 17, 2001
    The 4 8 0
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    It will be interesting to see how many dominant years Hoffman has left. He's been at the top of his game for much longer than average for closers.
    As the MPH keep coming off his fastball, it's going to make the change that much more hittable.
    Their rotation is ready to turn the corner though. It's like what was said before, they need to build for their ballpark.
    They're in pretty good shape pitching wise, but they need more speed and on-base guys. Nevin, Klesko, and at times Payton are trying to beat the ballpark instead of driving the ball to the gaps and driving in runs. Giles needs to prove he's the go-to guy he was in Pittsburgh--not just a guy whose numbers looked great in a crap lineup.
     
  11. biggyv

    biggyv Member

    May 18, 2000
    PGH PA
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    Apparently the Red Sox have thrown their hats in the Randy Johnson derby. They're talking with the DBacks about Arroyo, Jon Lester, and another top prospect. Don't know how I feel about this one, since RJ would want an extension before approving a trade.
     
  12. fiddlestick

    fiddlestick New Member

    Jul 17, 2001
    The 4 8 0
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    Are they saying that's the Plan B if Pedro goes elsewhere?
     
  13. ProfZodiac

    ProfZodiac Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 17, 2003
    Boston, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    Actually, no. There's no clarification on that at all. But I imagine they wouldn't pull the trigger unless Pedro took off.

    Schilling, Johnson, Pavano, Wakefield, ???
     
  14. biggyv

    biggyv Member

    May 18, 2000
    PGH PA
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    Yeah, that's what the article is basically saying. If Pedro goes, say, to the Mets, then something could happen. I think they're banking on the fact that Colangelo would rather not deal with Steinbrenner.
     
  15. biggyv

    biggyv Member

    May 18, 2000
    PGH PA
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    This is from the Providence Journal article:

    "A trade for Johnson, though considered a longshot for the Red Sox, would preclude re-signing Martinez, who grabbed the Sox' full attention following the Mets' proposal."

    You need a registration for the article.
     
  16. fiddlestick

    fiddlestick New Member

    Jul 17, 2001
    The 4 8 0
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    Colangelo is out in AZ. A group of higher stake holders forced him out. Former agent Jeffrey Moorad is the new COO.
    I know Colangelo never had any fondness for Steinbrenner. Who knows how this new guy, with his background feels.
     
  17. atlheel

    atlheel New Member

    Nov 19, 2004
    Atlanta/Chapel Hill
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    Klesko's been doing that for his entire career. Why do you think Atlanta got fed up with him? He isn't going to change.
     
  18. fiddlestick

    fiddlestick New Member

    Jul 17, 2001
    The 4 8 0
  19. Glenwood Lane United

    Apr 28, 2001
    Hanover Park, IL
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know this signing doesn't have near the impact of Randy Johnson or Pedro, but rumors have Matt Clement going to Cleveland.

    That makes sense...if Cleveland gets any pitching besides Sabathia, they have a shot at the Central the way they can score runs.
     
  20. fiddlestick

    fiddlestick New Member

    Jul 17, 2001
    The 4 8 0
    Plus he won't have to face Alex Cora anymore.
     
  21. 655321

    655321 New Member

    Jul 21, 2002
    The Mission, SF
    The Giants signed Armando Benitez. Considering how many blown saves we had last season, and with Vasquel to strengthen up our infield, the Giants have to be a major contender now.
     
  22. biggyv

    biggyv Member

    May 18, 2000
    PGH PA
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    Duh. Why did I not remember that.
     
  23. fiddlestick

    fiddlestick New Member

    Jul 17, 2001
    The 4 8 0
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    East Coast Bias.
     
  24. Lithium858

    Lithium858 Member

    Aug 11, 2002
    Baton Rouge
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    Klesko finally got the hang of it the second half of the season as he drove in more and more doubles and good line-drives. The lack of homers made him realize he can't hit one every at bad I guess. Payton was useless at the plate until the last month or so of the season when he really heated up. I thought he did a good job defensively though. A lot of San Diegans still want Finley back but that won't happen cause the Padres are cheap.
     
  25. fiddlestick

    fiddlestick New Member

    Jul 17, 2001
    The 4 8 0
    Re: The Hot Stove Thread

    They'd do it, but somebody'd have to take Klesko, his contract, and his Burnitz approach at the plate first.
     

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